Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soborno Isaac Bari


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The result was delete. The "keep" opinions are entertaining but unhelpful.  Sandstein  19:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Soborno Isaac Bari

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Not a prodigy by the normal definition of doing as well as an adult ''expert'

I notice from the caption that an educator named him the "Einstein of our time" for his proficiency in the math, physics, and chemistry.. ." Einstein did not show signs of his later genius at an early age, so it's a rather strange comparison. I cannot read most of the references, but they seem  PR/human interest, not genuine news stories, for there is no genuine news.

When I see articles like this, my thoughts turn to parental exploitation of their children.  DGG ( talk ) 09:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Soborno just won "Global Child Prodigy Award" in Chemistry. He went to India last month to receive this prize from Nobel Prize Winner Kailash Satyarthi.GyllenhalMike (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That someone received a prize from a notable person does not make them notable  DGG ( talk ) 03:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Soborno Isaac received this title from Former City College of New York President Lisa Coico. Check this, https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/a-wunderkinds-battle-to-trounce-terrorism-by-unleashing-a-love-for-science/article30498316.ece ([User:GyllenhalMike|GyllenhalMike]] )
 * I omitted the name deliberately, out of politeness to her.  DGG ( talk ) 03:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep All this article need is a better tone. The content could be improved.GyllenhalMike (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:53, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * further reading: this closed AfD. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:42, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * delete the subject doesnt pass general notability criteria. However, churnalism, paid articles, press releases, and routine coverage give an illusion of significant coverage. User generated websites are not reliable sources, but an answer to this question on quora sums it nicely: he recites physics without understanding it. This article (used in the wikipedia article) is a reprint of "Arabian Post", as can be seen at the bottom. Most of the sources are like this. I could not find any reliable source stating he has been to "Voice of America". There is a huge difference in knowledge, and intelligence, this kid has knowledge, not intelligence. None of the sources say he has been scientifically proven to be a prodigy. All the sources say someone or other called him a prodigy. Everything I saw was a puff piece praising the subject. Not genuine news or article covering him. Having meetings with head of states, or educationalists/academics/scholars, does not conform notability. These people always meet bright kids. I spent a lot of time searching about the subject (a little every day, for 4-5 days). Now I believe this is a work of strategical PR agency. In any case: there are no genuine articles/news with significant coverage of the subject. Whatever out there is routine coverage, press releases, and churnalism. Hence subject fails general notability criteria. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per DGG and UNK. I'd prefer to wait on a BLP about someone like this. Wait to see what happens rather than relying on all these press releases that purport to be news but really aren't. If he's a smart kid, he will accomplish some stuff and be notable, but at the moment we aren't doing the BLP criteria justice as it is a bit WP:TOO SOON. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    21:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I created this article because I fell in love with the ideologies he espoused in his book, The Love, which is a bestselling book in Bangladesh right now. Hundreds of people line up everyday to buy this 7 year old child’s book at the Ekushey Book Fair: https://www.rokomari.com/book/193546/the-love.

In fact, The Love has spread all over the world to the point that SP Pune University, one of the best universities in India, invited him to give a speech in front of hundreds of students and faculty on Jan 6, 2020. You think the Vice Chancellor of the best university in India would make such a huge decision by mistake? Are you calling The Hindu a PR stunt for reporting that historic event? https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/a-wunderkinds-battle-to-trounce-terrorism-by-unleashing-a-love-for-science/article30498316.ece

The Hindustan Times is very near and dear to every Indian’s heart. Are you calling it a PR paper, just because it reported about Soborno Isaac?: https://www.hindustantimes.com/pune-news/7-year-old-child-author-to-grace-pune-varsity-stage-for-lecture-on-the-love/story-7gtJWKU3hwgvQO1rCMkylK.html

Marathi TV also aired this report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9w7G4193DI

Pune Mirror also aired the report: https://www.sakaltimes.com/pune/child-prodigy-bats-world-without-terrorism-45100?fbclid=IwAR3oJDLu1ydxtswD4FT8RJhiBzijl7tM5UHjvrn59Rd5L9urwSD-XfREFBY

Do you think Nobel laureate Kailash Satyarthi Gee recognized Soborno with the Global Child Prodigy Award on January 3rd in New Delhi by mistake? Why don’t you call him and ask him what criteria he used to select Soborno? Are you calling Sakal Times a PR stunt for reporting the event? https://www.sakaltimes.com/pune/child-prodigy-bats-world-without-terrorism-45100?fbclid=IwAR3oJDLu1ydxtswD4FT8RJhiBzijl7tM5UHjvrn59Rd5L9urwSD-XfREFBY

Do you think Ruia College of Mumbai University invited Soborno as a visiting professor by mistake? https://www.ruiacollege.edu/ (The College is using Isaac’s picture to inspire their own students; click through the slideshow to find Isaac’s image)

Are you calling the Bangladesh Protidin, #1 newspaper in Bangladesh with 1/2 million circulation everyday, a PR stunt? ; https://www.bd-pratidin.com/saturday-morning/2020/02/08/499691

But worst of all, are you belittling the country of 1 billion people? You think a paper like the Hindu, with a circulation of 1.5 million and the Hindustan Times, with a circulation of 1 million, would publish paid articles? Did Obama get paid to recognize Soborno when he was 4? Why don’t you call President Obama and ask him what criteria he used to select Soborno. What about the president of Harvard University? People believe Harvard is a good university. You are saying the president of Harvard got paid to do that?

The President of CCNY, Lisa Coico, gave Isaac a series of math, physics, and chemistry problems for about two hours when Isaac was only 4 years old. Did she get paid? Was she also a PR stunt? Was she paid to call him “Einstein of our time”? You said you don’t find any links to Isaac’s Voice of America Interview. Is it his fault you don’t find it? Here is the link: https://www.voabangla.com/a/soborno-isaac-bari-chemistry-genius/2641165.html.

All of the newspapers I mentioned above have a greater circulation than the New York Times. Be careful when you call them PR stunts or fake. I could list hundreds of more sources, and I will if you insist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yessir123981 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * fwiw, the NYT has been known to publish PR also. Essentially no news source is, or ever has been, free of it. .  DGG ( talk ) 03:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * yes. Hindustan Times, and The Hindu as well publish paid news, and while we are at it, Times of India as well. And like DGG said above, no news source has been free of PR. Like I said in my original comment, these people (head of the state, and from academics) meet other people all the time. Meeting them doesnt conform notability. I have worked indirectly with Pune university in the past. They usually invite people every now n then for lectures. Most of the sources you provided, and his lecture in the Pune university was to promote the book. Again, this too, doesnt establish/comform notability. And coverage of that event falls under WP:ROUTINE coverage. Regarding "Global Child Prodigy Awards", its a clearly promotional event, as explained in the deletion discussion. How they got involved a poor noble laureate is disheartening. The laureate must have been working in good faith, and got phished. Anyone can nominate any candidate who is under 15yo, and the awarding group hasnt specified their critria for assesing a kid as prodigy. They also havent disclosed their revenue source yet. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom & usernamekiran. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. not a prodigy by definition used in Child prodigy and non WP:NOTABLE.--Smerus (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


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