Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Socialist Appeal (US, 1935)


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Socialist Appeal (US, 1935)

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No independent reliable sources establishing notability. Downwoody (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment - I 100% guarantee that a piece on the 1936-38 American Trotskyist paper could be sourced out, passing GNG. This is an eclectic mishmosh of publications sharing the same name, however, with the main object of the article being coverage of a current American publication. I have no great certainty that the current publication can be sourced out, but neither do I dismiss the possibility. I don't have time to look, gotta get ready for work. I'll return to this later. Carrite (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Awww fuck, I'm gonna be late. I've figured out how one might save this piece. The main article should be on the 1936-38 publication (passing GNG), with info about the contemporary publication tagged on. Not completely kosher to do it that way, of course, but it would be sustainable at AfD. Ideally, these two publications would be completely separated, since all they share is a name. Carrite (talk) 16:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment then the article should be on the 1936 to 1938 newspaper specifically if that's the subject that has credible sources -however can't that be accomplished with a redirect to the following Workers_Party_of_the_United_States? Downwoody (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep - This has been gutted of unrelated contemporary material and retitled and now should stand as a Keep. Needs work, I'll get to it if this closes Keep. As to GNG, see Joseph Hansen, "The Militant, New Militant, Labor Action, Socialist Appeal, The Militant" in Joseph R. Conlin, The American Radical Press, 1880-1960. Greenwood Press, 1974, v. 1, pp. 326-336. Also: Max Shachtman, "Introduction," to Socialist Appeal: An Organ of Revolutionary Socialism: Volumes 1-3, 1934-1937. Greenwood Reprint Corporation, 1968, unpaginated but runs two quarto pages. The volume Socialist Appeal: An Organ of Revolutionary Socialism: Volumes 1-3, 1934-1937 is readily available in libraries; the publication is also available online HERE for the 1935-1937 Chicago issues and HERE for the 1937 New York issues and HERE for the 1938 issues and HERE for 1939 and HERE for 1940. These last are primary sources and don't count to GNG by themselves, but it does indicate ongoing contemporary interest in the paper. Other substantial coverage which does count to GNG may be found in Peter Drucker, Max Shachtman and His Left: A Socialist's Odyssey Through the "American Century." Humanities Press, 1994, pp. 82-83, 94-95, 111, 119. That should be enough to satisfy GNG, there are three to five more things I could cite if I needed to put 15 minutes more research into it. Carrite (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's one more quickie counting to GNG: "Socialist Appeal" (Chicago) and "Socialist Appeal" (New York) in Walter Goldwater, Radical Periodicals in America, 1890-1950. Yale University Library, 1964, pg. 38. Carrite (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per Carrite's reasoning and efforts. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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