Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Socialist Party (Italy, 2007, De Michelis)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Italian Socialist Party (2007). BD2412 T 05:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Socialist Party (Italy, 2007, De Michelis)

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Short explanation: this party has never been publicly presented, it should have been born from an agreement between two factions of the New Italian Socialist Party, but de facto this party never seems to have been really founded.

There has been a lot of discussion about how to write this page and its title, but the main problem is that this party has never been publicly presented. In 2007 the New Italian Socialist Party (NPSI) split into two factions, and both claimed that name. The book "I simboli della discordia" is the only source citing an agreement between the two factions of the NPSI, which would have sanctioned the birth of this party: however the reality was different, in fact the faction of De Michelis and Del Bue continued to act on behalf of the NPSI until to the definitive confluence in the Italian Socialist Party (2007). In practice, for a short period, there were two NPSIs and this "Socialist party" remained substantially only on the paper of the agreement between the two factions, which both continued to act on behalf of the NPSI. All the information on this page is already explained on the NPSI page, considering that this socialist party has never been publicly presented and that Del Bue and De Michelis have continued to proclaim themselves leaders of the NPSI, I find this page to be misleading and should be deleted. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 15:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * PS. I saw that this page has been already nominated (under a different name: here), should I move the page, adding (2nd nomination)?--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 16:18, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No, this is fine. For reference the previous AfD resulted in no consensus. buidhe 21:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This seems to be a People's Front of Judaea situation. We need more input about how to cover it - as a separate article or as part of another.
 * Oppose. This article is quite an useful pieace of a story. Deleting it would make more difficult for readers to understand the complicate history, made of splits and mergers, of the so-called Socialist diaspora, meaning of the remnants of the historical Italian Socialist Party. I think Wikipedia should be inclusive, in order not to let down readers, as well those editors who had spent their time to explain the intricate politics of Italy. --Checco (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Italian Socialist Party (2007). Existed for just over three months and "never acted publicly as such": can be (and already is) covered in the history/formation in the actual party presented to the people. Reywas92Talk 03:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Reywas92. = paul2520 (talk) 04:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. this separate party should maintain its own separate article.--Autospark (talk) 16:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment in the case of merge, I think it is more appropriate to do it into the New Italian Socialist Party's page and not into the Italian Socialist Party (2007)'s one: the same informations are explained in the section New Italian Socialist Party, indeed they concern a dispute within the New Italian Socialist Party between the left wing and the right wing of that party. This "Socialist Party (Italy, 2007, De Michelis)" de facto never existed, on 23 June 2007 Del Bue and De Michelis (representatives of the left wing of the NPSI) were appointed secretary and president of the New Italian Socialist Party, not of this "Socialist Party" (apparently never founded), they never followed up on the agreement with the right wing of the party (represented by Caldoro and Barani) and they continued to declare themselves NPSI's members until they joined the Italian Socialist Party (2007) (ergo, this Socialist Party led by De Michelis was never born). I see no reason to maintain an autonomous page for a party that has never even been born. --Scia Della Cometa (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Reywas92. Either that suggested page or a more appropriate one, but absolutely merge it.Locochoko (talk) 11:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Reywas92.4meter4 (talk) 00:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to Italian Socialist Party (2007) as suggested by . WP:LOSE is not a criteria for keeping. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * In the case of merging, wouldn't it be better to merge this page to New Italian Socialist Party? After all, this page was born from the misunderstanding that there was a traditional split, and not that there were two New PSIs at the same time. The same information is written in New Italian Socialist Party.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 20:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you think so, sure. You clearly know the most about this, and it seems clear this is not notably separate enough to need a separate article. Reywas92Talk 21:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I am fine with that.4meter4 (talk) 00:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


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