Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University


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The result was merge to Queen's University. Fabrictramp (talk) 23:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University
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Extremely non-notable local organization. Does not appear to have any coverage required for the notability of a local org per WP:ORG -- Despite claim of it being a 'prominent society' on the uni's article, it's not even as notable as some student unions as it's a society for some students of one particular university. Also COI from article's creator, although it has been edited since then. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 04:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC) TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 04:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Around 3,000 GHits, more than some other "notable" unions. Thus this one is independently notable, it passes the Google test, and the Pokemon test. Keep. GreenJoe 11:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, ghits don't established notability from reliable sources, which are limited to the Queen's Journal, save for one obit that appears in the Philly Inquirer. Local org, applies to one part of a uni, not notable. However I know from our past that absent the rare occasions that I !vote keep on a notable student union, we're going to have to agree to disagree TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It still passes the Pokemon test. GreenJoe 16:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Per WP:WAX, The "Pokémon test" is not a valid deletion or inclusion rationale, and neither is simply counting Google hits. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:WAX isn't policy, it's not even a guideline. So we don't have to follow it. GreenJoe 18:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly enough, WP:KIT isn't policy or guideline either. Stifle (talk) 08:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Canadian University Student Associations which are recognized by their university (as this one is), almost all have their own articles. They're notable as unions are notable - as the official representatives of their students. See for example List of Canadian students' associations. - Chabuk [ T • C ] 20:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment not grounds for speedy keep *and* just because it's a recognized association does not mean it's a notable organization per WP:ORG for local organizations. Please also see WP:OTHERSTUFF, it's not a valid argument for inclusion. They could conceivably all be deleted if they didn't pass notability. For that matter, not all student unions are notable, and a number have been deleted here before TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 20:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment By that logic, you can also go nominate the thousands of secondary schools, private colleges, labour unions, and NGO's which don't have excessive media attention. The SGPS has over 3000 members and is a member local of the Canadian Federation of Students. I consider that notable enough. -Chabuk [ T • C ] 21:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with the other student societies at that University (Alma Mater Society, Arts and Science Undergraduate Society (either deleted or not yet written), Queen’s Engineering Society I think in cases where there's a single predominant or universal student organisation at a major university then it is notable, but this is just the graduate students, who are about 1/5 the total. DGG (talk) 20:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Pokémon Test is just a variant of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and therefore not a valid argument in this discussion. The article demonstrates no notability for The Society separate from that of Queen's University. Quite a few similar articles about college/university student organizations have failed AfDs in recent weeks. Delete. B.Wind (talk) 02:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per B.Wind. Stifle (talk) 08:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect per DGG. Unless there are sufficient RS to establish notability independent from the university, student organizations should be included in the university article. Sorry, but counting ghits does not a RS make. — Becksguy (talk) 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment At the risk of being seen as overly anally retentive, I ask that you please place your !vote (Keep/Delete/Merge/ etc.) at the beginning of your post/comment per established style. Without that, it makes it difficult to establish consensus and to separate comments from !votes. Thank you. — Becksguy (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge. Thanks once again to DGG, who seems to often provide reasonable solutions (with good rationales) that would otherwise be overlooked. Pastordavid (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per DGG. Razor flame 15:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.