Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sofia Krakhmaleva


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The result was delete. Zero indication that she meets WP:GNG. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Sofia Krakhmaleva

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PROD concern was ''A BLP on a youth-level handball player with no assertion or evidence of notability. The sources in the article either don't mention her at all or contain just the bare minimum database info such as name, DOB, nationality etc. My WP:BEFORE search only comes up with passing mentions or more bare minimum database entries. There is nothing to suggest a passing of WP:SPORTCRIT (youth level sports is not generally considered 'the highest level' and she has not competed at the equivalent of these championships at the senior level) nor is there any realistic chance of passing WP:GNG.''

Contested with she plays in the highest Russian league which is the second best league in the world 

There is no SNG for handball so players are expected to meet GNG. The only source that I could find on her was this which is a brief post on her club's own website so therefore does not qualify as an independent source (see WP:IS) and, therefore, does not confer notability. Players could get presumed notability through SPORTCRIT if they have played in a major international competition at the highest level, but Krakhmaleva hasn't played in the European Championship, nor the World Championship nor the Olympics. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Handball-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - I had already draftified the article, see here, hence why I didn't send it to draft again. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and doesn't appear to meet WP:NSPORTS.  Onel 5969  TT me 18:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete First I thought she would be enough notable because she plays in the highest Russian league. But I didn't found any secondary source so I changed my opinion to delete.Malo95 (talk) 16:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - plays proofed in the highest handball league of one of the most important handball nations. Btw, also beach handball player for Russia, participated at the Youth Olympic Games 2018 in Buenos Aires. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 16:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC) PS: also participated in the 2019 European Beach handball Championships. See for example the image in her article and the official EHF statistics, playes 10 of all 10 possible matches.
 * Unfortunately, none of those sources address the concern that Krakhmaleva does not meet WP:GNG, which is currently the only applicable guideline. GNG requires there to be independent sources addressing Krakhmaleva directly and in detail. Note that the only source even coming close to doing this is the one that is from her club's own website, which is therefore not an independent source. Competing in those competitions that you mention do not confer notability since they are not the highest international level of handball (the Olympics, World Championships and European Championships all exist). Regarding beach handball, if it can be established that the overwhelming majority of players competing in such a tournament pass GNG, then maybe a guideline can be introduced which means all sportspeople competing in that tournament are presumed notable, however, the fact that Krakhmaleva can compete in all 10 games in that tournament and still not get any GNG-level coverage would make the likelihood of such a guideline gaining support unlikely. If you can provide WP:THREE sources addressing Krakhmaleva directly and in detail I will happily change my stance. Thanks Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * As a clear illustration of how minimal the coverage of beach handball is, do a search on any players listed at Hungary women's national beach handball team; almost all of them would fail GNG comprehensively. This is a team with a much better record than Russia (twice European champions and most recently runner up in 2019). I would strongly oppose any guideline that suggests that people playing beach handball at any level are notable by default. Also, most of the players in the most recent World Championship final seem to fail GNG with the exception of the players that already have an established career in normal handball. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Heaven help *rolleyes* -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 01:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


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