Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soma (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 00:46, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Soma (song)

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Delete and redirect - Look, "Cherub Rock", "Today", "Rocket", and "Disarm" were all charting singles with music videos, "Geek USA" had critical acclaim for having one of the greatest drum performances of all time and has been covered on a notable artist's album, and "Mayonaise" has not only been covered on a notable artist's album, but also has had frequent airplay and numerous versions all with notable reviews. What does "Soma" have that's notable? I think they only way to get rid of this unimportant song article is AfD since it doesn't qualify for speedy. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 02:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect To Siamese Dream, as a plausible search term. The nominator is right in that this song received no substantial coverage and did not chart, so it does not meet WP:NSONGS. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 04:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge to album article. An important song on a massively successful album, often highlighted in the album reviews. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Of course the album is massively successful, but if you read the top paragraph I just made an argument on why it wasn't an important song while you did not. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 18:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey    00:11, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 04:55, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep – Hobbes Goodyear is right. This is a track from a huge album in rock music history, and indeed multiple reviews from that era have commentary about the track. A quick search turns up:
 * SMASHING PUMPKINS ENERGIZE HARA: [CITY EDITION] Dave Larsen POP MUSIC CRITIC. Dayton Daily News [Dayton, Ohio] 26 Apr 1994: 3C.
 * Smashing Pumpkins Pomp It Up: BY DAVID SPRAGUE. Newsday [Long Island, N.Y] 01 Aug 1993: 19.
 * The sound of Smashing: Smashing Pumpkins' unpredictablity helps the band avoid sophmore slump: Kula, Geoffrey. The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 10 Aug 1993: B3.
 * SMASHING PUMPKINS, SWERVEDRIVER PLAY TO SELLOUT BOATHOUSE CROWD THE PUMPKINS SHOW THE BEST ELEMENTS OF A ``MOODY'' SOUND.: Wright, Rickey. Virginian - Pilot [Norfolk, Va] 21 Nov 1993: B3.
 * SIGNAL TO NOISE: The Sonic Diary of the Smashing Pumpkins. Thomas, Richard. EQ 19. 10 (Oct 2008): 14-18,20-22,24-26,28.
 * That's just a small sampling. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Honestly all of the information about "Soma" in this article could easily fit into the Siamese Dream article and would look much better there. Although I'm stilling going with delete and redirect, I wouldn't mind if it were to be merged. The song itself still doesn't deserve its own article. The citation and resource section (which isn't that large) is longer than the article content. With the exception of being #24 out of 25 on a list of "coolest guitar solos" and #41 out of 50 out of "greatest guitar solos" all of the citations are more about ALL of Siamese Dream and do not really focus on "Soma" as an individual song, this is why they citation section is larger than the actual content. This is also points to almost all of this information clearly diserving to be in the Siamese Dream article, but not warranting that "Soma" should have its own article. The worst part is that most of the article is about Billy Corgan's personal life, which is not information that makes a song notable. According to the Siamese Dream article "Today" and "Geek U.S.A." tend to be the songs that get highlighted when talking about the album so I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "Soma" is usually one of the most highlighted songs. So maybe merge the information if you think its really that notable, but surely DO NOT KEEP THIS ARTICLE. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 03:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep and Comment I just scrolled through all the songs listed as "other" on the Smashing Pumpkins navbox...perhaps it's just that "Soma" as an article is more poorly written and could use a spitshine. I see "Superchrist" is wearing a questionable notability tag from July 2011 and "FOL", although not article tagged, looks the least notable of any to me. I personally elect  "FOL" to leave. Gee, "Soma" even has Mike Mills on piano....and it's actually an interestingly written article I would hate to see disappear. I nominate "FOL" instead.   Fylbecatulous   talk   16:08, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't really concern myself with post-Adore Pumpkins, but "FOL" was at the Superbowl and in a commercial and a highly notable wrestling team's theme song. "Superchrist" was a single so I don't know what its even doing in the "other" section. Yet again "Soma" had no independent release advertisement, or extensive coverage, and asserts little to no notability. Mike Mills being on paino is like Matt Cameron of Soundgarden being on drums for "For Martha", in other words not something that makes a song article worthy. Like i said earlier, merge if you must, but this does not deserve its own article.  Mrmoustache14 (talk) 20:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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