Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somos Los Otros NY


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The result was no consensus.  A  Train ''talk 18:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Somos Los Otros NY

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I want to nominate this article for deletion because the notability of the subject is in question. The article is about a Mexican-led protest in the U.S. as a result of the 2014 Iguala mass kidnapping. It is important to note that protests happened all over the world, but this is no good reason for this article to have it's own article. The sources the article uses that mention the subject are unreliable and fan pages (this website, along with a YouTube video and Facebook post). The other reliable sources in the article do not even mention the group and were used to add more information on the political background of the protests in the U.S. A quick Google search will pull up some embarrassing results too, mostly fan pages. This also an inherent bias in favor of the group, since some of the information states as an absolute fact that the Mexican government tried to censor and intimidate in New York, while none of the sources directly reflect this. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 00:15, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:26, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   06:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

For what its worth, Somos Los Otros NY was cited as a source for Proceso in coverage pertaining to the upcoming elections. This happened well before the article was submitted for deletion. I would question the altruistic nature of ComputerJA's actions since the Mexican government is quite excellent at financing online propagandists to defame and question the reputability of sources that don't quite say what they like. Please see They used their content to contextualize and define Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's statements to Antonio Tizapa.
 * Agreed on your comment about Proceso. But that doesn't mean Somos Los Otros NY should have a standing article of it's own. There is no in-depth details about the organization. I can post a Facebook photo that turns viral, but that doesn't mean I should have an article about myself. Please see WP:ORG for more details. The article fails to meet a number of the requirements. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 20:14, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There is not much to debate regarding Somos Los Otros NY role as content providers via a facebook page. If they are notable for blogs and newspapers, then they are notable for a publicly curated digital encyclopedia used to make sense of a changing world. The sources in question are varied from little known outlets to Voices of NY where the subject is that collective/group. Mexico media outlets/collectives denouncing human rights tend to work in such a way to maintain a presence with an audience. See Desinformemonos. The fact is that the group functions as a media entity that is hard to classify. Wikipedia gives us tools to somewhat categorize these unconventional outlets. Otherwise, we are bound to recreating the same taxonomy and data linked to a traditional encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.172.169.87 (talk) 14:38, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not here to promote any noble cause. It fails to meet our notability requirements (see WP:ORG) and thereby should not be in this encyclopedia. The fact that Somos Los Otros NY exists does not mean we should include it here. I wrote Valor por Tamaulipas a few years ago. This is a social media page/organization that was widely publicized in the press (with reliable sources) beyond simple mentions. Please look at the sources in the article. There are several reliable sources that are about Valor por Tamaulipas. Somos Los Otros NY is no where near that. Thanks, ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 15:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect a condensed version to 2014 Iguala mass kidnapping or Delete as per WP:SOAPBOX, but more importantly because I began checking the sources on the page, many are blogs and other non-RS social media, but the ones I checked did not even mention "Somos Los Otros" (I did not check every article linked) Instead, I ran a gNews search: and "Somos los otros" does not appear to be notable.  We can't keep a free standing article about a group unless we can establish notability, but mention of the NY area protests could be usefully added to the 2014 Iguala mass kidnapping page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


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