Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Son Goku (Saiyuki)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merged to List of main characters from Saiyuki. (The minor character articles I have merely redirected to the main article).  E LIMINATOR JR  10:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Son Goku (Saiyuki)

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Completely unreferenced and notability is questionable. Might be better merged into article for the anime itself. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge Into whatever anime he's from. Saiyuki? I can't really tell. i said 01:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions.   —Farix (Talk) 01:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the series article, with no prejudice towards a version of this article that's actually written in semi-fluent English. --tjstrf talk 01:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, readable English now present. --tjstrf talk 10:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Note I rewrote this significantly just now--I hope that is okay. Does it look better? User:CharlotteMR 03:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's much better. --tjstrf talk 10:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete No secondary sources to establish notability or provide real world context. Jay32183 01:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Notability is shown by the award winning nature of the series, and out of universe information is present in the article's discussion of character design inspiration and mythological roots. At most, I could understand a vote here for merger to a Characters in Saiyuki article. --tjstrf talk 02:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The series' winning awards does not make its characters notable. Notability is established by significant coverage in multiple, reliable, secondary sources independent of the topic. That hasn't been demonstrated in this case. Jay32183 03:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If the series has won awards, that would make the series notable and deserving of an article - but that does not necessarily make a character in the series notable. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a magazine with two article about the anime, one of which interviews the director about the character designs: Newtype USA, vol.2, num.5, pp.109-115. I'll add some citations after work--hope that helps. CharlotteMR 12:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of Saiyuki characters along with the other main characters per the original intent of WP:FICT. --Farix (Talk) 03:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - as Farix pointed out, a List of Saiyuki characters article would be appropriate. The individual characters do not deserve articles under WP:FICT, and treatment in a list is suitable. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 06:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to Characters in Saiyuki, not a list of characters in Saiyuki, per WP:NOT. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How does WP:NOT apply? A list of characters is not an indiscriminate collection of items. Also note that those refer to two different types of articles. List of Saiyuki characters refers to a list containing the characters of the source material, thus making it along the lines of List of Metal Gear Solid characters. Characters in Saiyuki, on the other hand, would be an article talking about the characters as a whole rather than simply a list. See Characters of Final Fantasy VIII for how it differs from the aforementioned list of characters. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 23:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The WP:ANIME derived style guideline on anime and manga suggests the use of List of characters in (series) (though List of (series) characters is far more common) instead of Characters in (series). Also, WP:NOT does not apply to the article's name, instead it applies to the content of the article. An article that violates WP:NOT will still violates WP:NOT whether its named is Characters in Saiyuki, List of characters in Saiyuki, or List of Saiyuki characters. --Farix (Talk) 03:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The manga MoS should probably be updated to explain the difference between "List of characters in X" vs. "Characters of X" then. Though I think Sessh's point was more that by calling it "list of" we suggest it's a comprehensive list, which, depending on the series format, might be a bad thing (i.e. if every non-main character is a villain of the week type, then we don't want a list of all of them). --tjstrf talk 07:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete mergers point to a redlink... Dihydrogen Monoxide 08:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh? If Son Goku (Saiyuki) exists, and so do several other character articles (Genjo Sanzo (Saiyuki), Cho Hakkai (Saiyuki), et al), then how is voting to merge all of them into a new page impractical? --tjstrf talk 08:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.