Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Song Weilong (actor/model)


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The result was keep. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:12, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Song Weilong (actor/model)

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Fails WP:NACTOR as all films/TV shows are insignificant, and fails WP:GNG due to lack of available reliable sources.  Quasar G  t - c 16:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found at least China's official news agency Xinhua reporting about him and China Daily re-reporting. Some weak indication of notability IMO. His Weibo also shows a few million followers... Jake Brockman (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Update.

Thanks for your guidance and support, I'm still working on the text and retouching part for this page (Wiki-en:Song Weilong (actor/model)), definitely going to find some noticeable evidences for his career and the upcoming works (TV series, movies, covers of fashion magazines etc.).

Actually, I'd like to see this page on the first site of Google Search for "Song Weilong", because the Chinese Google Search results and the Chinese Wikipedia page (Wiki-zh:宋威龙) both leads to this actor/model person, not the speed skater person (宋伟龙), just lack of translation work.

Besides, the Chinese Wiki page for the skater Song Weilong (宋伟龙) is not even created (Search 宋伟龙 in Chinese Wiki), so in the first place I was considering whether to substitute the pages, and set the model as the main page, plus one disambiguation page, but the system said the skater page has an upper level. The Fact is, that the younger is more famous than the skater for now in China.

An other fact is, according to the Baidu Baike page, the skater already changed his name to Song Jinhan (宋金翰), and retired from his career, started a personal life as modified car company owner or technician [source: https://kknews.cc/sports/xz6y5q.html date: 2016-05-06 publisher: Ice World Sport]. Thus, I would glad to update his page as well if needed.

In addition, the actor's Sina Weibo account has almost 2 Million followers Weibo Homepage, and the Google image search results of "Song Weilong" are also mainly the pics of the model, not the skater Google Images.

Sokkwo (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Comment, if this article survives AfD, you could use WP:RM to request a move. Who is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is not relevant to this discussion. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:46, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Keep Sources seem to add up to WP:GNG. The article was taken to AfD the same day it was created, I think it just needed more work. Boleyn (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Update, how to determine if the debates end and whether the discussion is completed? Thank you. Technically I don't know how to remove the AfD Message, I'm not sure if I could.

The essential problem is, the Google result looks messy and very confusing since a long time, because the Wiki page leads directly to the speed skater person, and the right sidebar of Google shows the information of the skater (profession, height, age), but with the pictures of the model screenshot of Google page, which come out from Google image search engine.

Basically everything on the Google page beside this very first Wiki linkage, are about the model, not the skater.

For the current status, I don't think it's a final result or best solution for this problem, I still suggest that we separate the name into to two terms, if can not put the model on the dominant position for now, then just create a redirection page of "Song Weilong" to the "Song Weilong (disambiguation)", so everybody searched the word on Wiki can check the both pages, and not get confused with the other.

For example, redirect the search of "Song Weilong" to disambiguation page for the two people

- Song Weilong (speed skater)

- Song Weilong (actor/model)

And it also has a very big influence on Google search engine result. This is why at this moment people can only view the skater's Wiki in Google search result, that is already a serious mistake.

If we don't add the assumption of (skater) behind the name, it will be very confusing. People kept asking me why Google shows the model person is 27 years old, which is not, he is 18. And the skater has changed his last name to Song Jinhan, not Song Weilong anymore, so far I learned from internet news pages. It could be a permanent misleading page of the Google-Wiki system. In the long-term, the model just started his career late 2015 and has more than six upcoming works, on the other hand, Song Jinhan is retired from skating on national team. Therefore, I wish you can reconsider it and make further suggestions. Best regards.

Otherwise, we can use

or

Sokkwo (talk) 02:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * After one week of discussion, an admin will count the results of votes for deletion and for keeping and make a final decision. Once this happened, the deletion tag will be removed from the article or the article will still be deleted. How something "looks" on a Google search is not a primary concern, if at all. WP is an encyclopaedia and not a marketing or search engine optimization tool! With regards to the two individuals with the same name, I'm not convinced that the skater changed his name. A Baidu profile is not sufficient evidence. I don't think "kknews" or any blog is sufficiently reliable. On the contrary, the Chinese Olympic Committee reports about him and lists him under Song Weilong, as he will be listed on medal and participant tables in western media. Therefore, this can only be solved by referencing the disambiguation at the top of each article. Jake Brockman (talk) 07:17, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Comment, don't worry about page titles for now, one thing at a time. If this survives this discussion, you can go to WP:RM and editors will help you establish what should be done with the page titles. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 07:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 12:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 12:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 08:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Enough in sources since added that it passes WP:GNG Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


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