Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Songwriters on Parade


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The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  02:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Songwriters on Parade

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Fails WP:GNG. I found a lot of passing mentions in sources in a WP:BEFORE search, but no sources with in-depth coverage. In searching newspapers.com I found a number of advertisements dating to as early as 1932, and I strongly question the truth of the 1931 dating based on zero coverage in any newspapers prior to April 1932. I found a number of articles mentioning the "show" in passing; often buried in the middle of film reviews as this "show" often entertained audiences in conjunction with movies shown at Loews. I put "show" in quotes because the "Songwriters on Parade" was really more of a vaudeville act billed alongside other vaudeville acts according to the advertisements and passing mentions. None of them actually reviewed the "Songwriters on Parade" performances though, and didn't have anything much to say about it. The most in-depth coverage I could find on "Songwriters on Parade" was for a British Lion film of that name; presumably named for the vaudeville act. There was also a radio program of that name, and a later stage runs in the 1940s and 1950s that were not connected to the earlier vaudeville act; although it was certainly referencing back to it. All of this to say, I'm not confident that an article can be built that isn't WP:OR with an absence of in-depth sources. Nobody seems to have written a concise history or overview anywhere that I could locate. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 02:22, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I found a Variety review with a substantial description of the act. They appear to have continued doing the act, at least occasionally, well into the 1940s. See also page 9 here. I bet it shows up in a lot of books about vaudeville. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ I already checked the standard vaudeville reference works and books. It has zero mentions in Vaudeville, Old & New: An Encyclopedia of Variety Performers in America (2007), The Encyclopedia of Vaudeville (2012), Vaudeville and the Making of Modern Entertainment (2012), Vaudeville Melodies: Popular Musicians and Mass Entertainment in American Culture, 1870-1929 (2017); etc. Likewise, no mentions in any of the standard Tin Pan Alley reference works. I think this is largely because the standard vaudeville encyclopedias and reference works tend to view vaudeville as over by the early 1930s. This Songwriters on Parade happened after the vaudeville circuits had died, and was largely playing in movie theaters alongside films. The point is I don't think anyone has written on this in a broader sense anywhere. The only books I could find covering anything were all about broadcasts of the radio program Songwriters on Parade on WWRL (which may had some sort of connection to the stage performances?), and the British Lion film made at Beaconsfield which took its name from the act. I'm fairly certain there are no books with in-depth coverage of this act. It's a topic that definitely deserves to be written on by an academic researcher. I'm just not sure it's possible to do on wikipedia with the available sources without resorting to WP:Original synthesis. I note that the entire second sentence fact failed verification when I looked at the cited source. For a two sentence long article that is pretty bad...4meter4 (talk) 20:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 11:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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