Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonia Jabbar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Not the greatest discussion of all time, but consensus is pretty clear that WP:ANYBIO#1 is met. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Sonia Jabbar

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The subject fails to meet WP:GNG and is a case of 15 minutes of fame. The subject got publicity for a one time award event and fails to meet long term sustenance which is necessary to ensure the maintenance of an article at WP. Yourmasterishere (talk) 19:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  userdude 19:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BASIC. userdude 19:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Keep per ANYBIO#1 (see below) userdude 00:21, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Nari Shakti Puraskar may qualify Jabbar for WP:ANYBIO#1; I am unfamiliar with the award and will not make a judgement on if the award is well-known and significant. Excluding consensus that the award qualifies for WP:ANYBIO#1, my !vote remains delete. userdude 20:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  userdude 20:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that your vote is delete unless everyone else says the award is significant in which case you are voting keep? There is an article about Nari Shakti Puraskar (on Wikipedia) with several Presidents of India, ministers and Prime ministers indicating that the award may pass a test for notable to the odd billion people. Victuallers (talk) 13:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * -These are the views of the user who created this article and is the only editor who ever contributed for this article Yourmasterishere (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you just about hit the nail on the head. Jabbar fails BASIC and may meet ANYBIO#1. If the award is deemed well-known and significant (read: significant enough for ANYBIO#1), then the closer should consider my !vote a keep; otherwise BASIC applies, in which case my !vote should be considered a delete. userdude 18:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete doesn't appear to qualify for WP:ANYBIO as noted above, so WP:BASIC applies.  Alex Eng ( TALK ) 20:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the highest award for women in a country with a population three times the size of the USA. A "one off event" because one day she magically transformed her land ... um no ... and ... as if she didn't also get The Wildlife Trust of India noting her land as "a Green Corridor Champion of North Bengal". Oh, but they did. The rationale stated here is not convincing. I see no evidence of searching to confirm the proposal to see what the University of Montana or Vogue India think about her notability. Victuallers (talk) 12:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * -These are the views of the user who created this article and is the only editor who ever contributed for this article Yourmasterishere (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * .... that was the view of the editor who created this nomination!!! ... this is another comment by the editor called out as the author ... Yep it was me who created the article and did the research (COI declaration (really???) - and I still see no evidence of a search to establish notability or a credible rationale. Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a non-notable indivual.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia has very low standards for inclusion as described at WP:GNG. This biography seems to pass. We know that this person won an award of the sort that Wikipedia notes, the Nari Shakti Puraskar, and we know that this person is also discussed in third party media. This does not seem so complicated to me. Source for award + any other source seems like a pass to me. I am coming here following a post at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  12:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 17:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Nari Shakti Puraskar is enough for WP:ANYBIO#1; so if there is independent coverage for a stub (which it seems there is), we should keep it and let it develop. I had participated in the noticeboard thread about the award but did not come looking for this AFD, I happened upon it scrolling through Deletion sorting/India. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There seems to be absolutely no scope to develop this article as there is nothing left to add. Further, it seems to fail WP:INDEPENDENT as well which appears when we scrutinize the deftly articulated refs. Right now, its having 7 refs out of which,, & are based on personal interview with the subject individual and hence they will be categorized as WP:PRIMARY. is just an image of the subject getting the award. This is not adding any value as we already know from the first segment that the subject has received the award. Thus this is not a ref at all. is again irrelevant and moreover from Facebook (Social Media) and therefore it is completely irrelevant. is about 2017 award, while the subject received the award in 2018, therefore again irrelevant. could not be accessed as it was locked for premium membership. There has to have sufficient notability for an individual article to have a page separate from the award page. This article has been edited post when it was listed for deletion, if such kind of refs are being extracted, even after making deep structured query searches, its a sign that the subject lacks notability. Kindly reconsider your opinion.

Yourmasterishere (talk) 18:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know what [6] is. Others seem to be verifying something. Not all refs add to notability, but we are not evaluating GNG here. We are looking at additional criteria to decide whether we should maintain the article in the limited form that sources that exist allow. For that purpose, [1] and [5] are sufficient IMO. Facebook doesn't automatically equal bad; a statement from a verified account constitutes a self-published source from the account-holder, and the account holder is a reliable source in this instance. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Note to admin! the nominator is a newly created account & suspicious focusing on this person and other Nari Shakti Puraskar winners! Clearly WP:IDONTLIKE. He/She is a new user but has full knowledge on Wikipedia (mostly AFD) and like an experience editor who have total edit count: 32, so may be a sock account. Moreover, he joined Wikipedia on 3 May 2020 See log here. So I would like to request Check User (CU). Btw, imo, she meets WP:ANYBIO#1 however just comment not vote! 117.18.228.1 (talk) 19:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The NSP award + this profile in India Today + coverage here, here, here, here etc is sufficient to establish notability. I believe there is an argument to be made that an article on Nuxalbari Tea Estate would be a better idea than one on Sonia Jabbar since the estate (and its elephant friendly policies) are the locus of Jabbar's fame. But the exact article title and corresponding framing of the content is not a big enough deal to keep this AFD in flux. Abecedare (talk) 19:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Editors who are interested in this discussion for deletion may also be interested in Smriti Morarka, also a recipient of Nari Shakti Puraskar, clearly meets WP:ANYBIO. 136.228.175.221 (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


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