Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonia Sunger (news anchor)


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Sonia Sunger (news anchor)

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WP:BLP of a single-market local television journalist and actress, not reliably sourced as passing our inclusion standards for journalists or actresses. As always, neither journalists nor actresses are automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because it's technically verifiable that they exist -- they have to have much stronger evidence that their work has been externally validated as significant, and they have to have real media coverage about them to properly support an article with. However, her notability claim as a journalist is that she won a minor journalism award that is sourced solely to her staff profile on the self-published website of her own employer, rather than any evidence of media coverage about the award presentation to establish its significance -- and her notability claim as an actress is that she's had roles, which IMDb predictably confirms as occasional unnamed bit parts as "reporter", "newscaster" or "news anchor" rather than significant leading roles for the purposes of WP:NACTOR. And the sourcing absolutely isn't cutting it for a WP:GNG pass either: there's her own staff profile (twice), her own self-published website about herself, her IMDb page, a profile on a celebrity gossip blog, and a transcript of an interview in which she's the questioner and not the subject being discussed, on the self-published website of the organization whose executive director was the interviewee -- none of which are reliable or notability-supporting sources at all. And for actual media coverage, there's just one light promotional puff piece in a limited circulation special interest magazine, which is not enough coverage to get her over the notability bar all by itself if it's the strongest source in play. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have much, much better references than this. Bearcat (talk) 05:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: a few more sources have been added since I first nominated this, but they still aren't good or notability-building ones. There are two pieces from her own employer about her participation in a local charity fundraiser, one of which she wrote herself and neither of which make her notable for that because they come from her own employer; one briefly mentions her name in the process of being coverage of somebody else; one isn't a news article about her but just a collection of photographs that happen to have her in them; and one is just a short blurb in a listicle from a non-notable and unreliable food blog in which random people were asked to name their favourite movie scenes. None of these are notability-bolstering sources: we're not looking for just any web page we can find that happens to have her name in it to verify that she exists, we're looking for coverage about her to verify that her career achievements warrant the attention of an encyclopedia. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete She's basically had bit parts in movies as "generic reporter person". Oaktree b (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I have seen Coffee and Kareem. I have to point out the film is unrealistic because the supposedly inner-city Detroit kid Kareem somehow has white kids in his school class. This does not happen in inner city Detroit schools. The makers do not understand how racially segregated Detroit public schools are. Now, if they had set him as having just moved out of Detroit to Roseville or some place like that the film would have been fully believable, but the supposedly inner city school did not compute. Maybe one white kid in the class, but not the unrealiztic balance they showed. I know Detroit schools and that was not what it would have been like. I just needed to get that off my chest. This article is functionally a hoax because Sunger did not "star" in Coffee and Kareem. In fact I am still not sure what her role was, becasue she is not on our cast list or mentioned in the plot summary, but if she did have a part it was extremely minor, not on the level of a significant role. Sunger is clearly not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're going off on a bit of a tangent there; the question of whether Coffee and Kareem was realistic or not has nothing to do with it. Bearcat (talk) 14:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


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