Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonita Lontoh


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of anything resembling a consensus. BD2412 T 00:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Sonita Lontoh

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Not notable under WP:NBIO.

Some limited coverage of this person but no in-depth media coverage. Of the meaningful coverge of Sonita Lontoh, it's almost all from questionable sources like alumni blogs, conference speaker bios, and "news sites" that don't appear to have true editorial oversight.

The sources from CNN, Bloomberg, Forbes, and BBC are hardly meaningful and notible coverage. For example: the Bloomberg artcle is titled "Five Executives on How They Unplug", the CNN article is titled "avoid money talks", and the BBC article is titled "the lifestyles of the young and ultra-rich". The Forbes article is titled "Here's How To Avoid An Impersonal Hiring Process" and is the not reliable "Forbes contributor" type of article. None of these articles establish this person as a notible contributor in their field and just include a quick snippet/quote from this person off topic from their professional contributions.

It's hard to find any reliable sources to support the claims in this article. Google search mostly returns results for their speaking events at conferences. Ew3234 (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Ew3234 (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep, notable tech executive with significant participation in White House activities, and had notable positions in Fortune 500 companies. There is a lot of mainstream news coverage by major media outlets. Clearly not a NBIO fail. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 17:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * DmitriRomanovJr, do you have an example of coverage by major media outlets? I looked through the sources and Google searched but wasn't able to find any reliable mainstream sources that cover this person in any sort of depth. The BBC, Bloomberg, etc articles do not cover this person in any detail (most don't even confirm their title).  Ew3234 (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:22, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable under NBIO due to long history of significant recognitions from respectable institutions such as the White House, the US State Department, the World Economic Forum, MIT, and others. Notable coverage from mainstream media such as the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, the BBC, NBC and others.Yozora1 (talk) 02:37, 02 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The above editor is a WP:SPA, who only to vote in this Afd.  scope_creep Talk  00:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Delete There is certainly coverage but most is not-in-depth nor independent. We can go through the references to examine them.    scope_creep Talk  00:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:42, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to HP Inc., since in depth coverages are required which solely discuss the subject. Chirota (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to HP Inc.. I checked some of the high-quality sources (BBC, NBC, WSJ) and they only mention the subject off-hand. No substantive in-depth coverage as far as I can see. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Google search resulted in several detailed, meaningful coverage of her and her work from reliable, reputable secondary sources such as Tatler magazine's articles on her work in artificial intelligence [] and IoT [], CNN Indonesia's article on her work connecting Silicon Valley and Indonesia [], CBS San Francisco's interview commentary on technology & business [], Tech_in_Asia's article on her work in technology ecosystem [], The Jakarta_Globe's article on her work on technology entrepreneurship [] and Tempo_(Indonesian_magazine) English article on her work []. Believe subject satisfies WP:SIGCOV which states "significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content, subject is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Thank you.
 * user:Roulisegee 02:50, 10 April 2021 SIG Added. ‎Sig added by   scope_creep Talk  10:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that the above user's account is 5 days old. Their edit history suggest a SPA in disguise. Lots of small edits but only four major ones. Of their four significant edits (above 500+ characters), three are on the Sonita Lontoh (one on this Afd, two on the article). Ew3234 (talk) 03:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yip, but these are really decent references.   scope_creep Talk  10:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Are they though? Tatler Indonesia covers "Luxury Lifestyle in Indonesia" (their words, not mine) and not a source for quality technology coverage. Just look at their top stories: https://indonesiatatler.com/. They might be a reliable source but not for this subject matter. The CBS is a local piece titled "Career Path Based On Three Things, Says San Francisco Marketing Executive" which speaks volumes to the shallow depth covered in the article. The article is pretty weak as a source that establishes notability.
 * The CNN Indonesia article and Tech in Asia are good sources but that doesn't equal inclusion to wikipedia on its own. Both articles cover the Silicon Valley Asia Technology Alliance, which presumes notablity of Lontoh as is one of the org's co-founders. Being a tech/marketing exec who co-founded a non-profit does not equal notability, even if they do get a few articles written. Many non-profit organizations can get some coverage but it's doesn't mean one of the cofounders meets WP:BIO. It's also worth noting that the non-profit itself isn't very notable. The top google results for the org are their press releases hosted on pr web, one of the articles mentioned here, her wikipedia page, and then her linkedin. That doesn't make strong case for notability. Also notability is not temporary and I don't see much recent coverage of this org. It doesn't even seem to still be around. The website is broken: http://www.svatechnology.com/
 * I cannot get the tempo article to load for me. I had that problem earlier as well so I cannot speak to it at the moment. The Jakarta Globe article is a solid source but is this enough to establish this person as a notable with significant and reliable coverage of their professional contributions over the millions of other executives that have similar merits and coverage but do not meet WP:BIO? Ew3234 (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Fails to show WP:SIGCOV. Riteboke (talk) 08:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Comment - this WEF page looks like one suitable independent source to me - not very long but has some career content. There's a 1300 word interview with Lontoh (titled "Green Hero: Sonita Lontoh") in the January 11, 2014 issue of Asian Fortune. For the article that she wrote for the San Francisco Examiner in June 2012 her mini-bio states "She is a clean technology expert recognized on Wikipedia and is a frequent speaker/contributor to publications such as FORBES, FORTUNE, CNN, etc.". Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A couple of articles found on PressReader (Butuh Ekosistem Kuat, Jawa Pos, 2 September 2017; and Champion of Change, Prestige Indonesia, 1 Feb 2014) tip the balance just in favour of keep for me. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing the WEF link. It looks like thats an author's bio (as the links below are articles written by Lontoh). It looks like the WEF aggregates (and does not vet) content from Medium: See this disclosure on the one of Lontah's WEF article: "This post first appeared on Medium. The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and not the World Economic Forum". So this bio is likely not WP:IS. I agree that the "recognized on Wikipedia" is an odd WP:CIRC. I found the Jawa Pos article but it doesn't seem to establish notability (the title translates to "These are Indonesian Executives in Silicon Valley"). Do you have links to the Prestige Indonesia articles? Ew3234 (talk) 19:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi The link I have for the Prestige Indonesia article is this. There are around 400 words covering Lontoh's education, family background, and career - all very positively expressed. The Jawa Pos article has a couple of paragraphs of biography - I thought this would help towards establishing notability. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:08, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


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