Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonita Lontoh (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Sonita Lontoh
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Someone keeps trying to recreate this article after it was previously deleted via AfD for notability and poor and misleading sources. Being an executive does not equal notability. Pasting an updated version of my initial AfD below...

Reason #1: Not notable coverage under WP:NBIO. Some limited coverage of this person but very limited in-depth media coverage. Of the meaningful coverage of Sonita Lontoh, it's almost all from questionable sources like alumni blogs, conference speaker bios, "news sites" that don't appear to have true editorial oversight, and friendly puff pieces. Other coverage of this person is entirely based on information provided by the subject and fails WP:IS. Subject did get coverage in Tatler Indonesia but that's a gossip mag and not a source for quality technology coverage.

None of these articles establish this person as a notable contributor in their field and just include a quick snippet/quote from this person off topic from their professional contributions.

Reason #2: Many details lack verifiability. Many of the details in this article are not verifiable and fail WP:NRV. All the sources seems to be copy-pasting the same biography without any independent reporting or verification.

As a result, this article likely doesn't meet WP:BLP.
 * The detail about John Kerry is not cited from any neutral source and doesn't state an official event or date. I cannot find WP:IS source for this.
 * I can't find a single IS verifying that she spoke at the Global Entrepreneurship Summit. There is only a local news program and a PR press release from her own company. Did she speak about? Is there a recording? Anything else that verifies that this actually happened and that it was notable?
 * For the TechWomen role, I cannot find a source for this that not a bio of Lontoh. She was personally recognized by Hillary Clinton for TechWomen??? Where is any WP:IS that can verify that? You would expect at least one IS if Clinton were to give this recognition to her work. The fact that the Tatler source claims this calls the entire source into question.

Reason #3: Some claims that appear notable at first glance are not that notable: Ew3234 (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The TechWomen is a program that anyone can sign up to be a mentor for; there's an online application. See note above about committee role.
 * The Asian Hall of Fame award doesn't seem notable as there is not many if any WP:IS coverage on this award. It might just be starting out or something because Google returns mostly PR Newswire press releases.
 * Same is true for the Global Emerging Leader under 40 award. Google doesn't seem to return much of anything for this
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Ew3234 (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women,  and Indonesia.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting because this discussion is not eligible for Soft Deletion due to previous AFDs. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Looking at the first two blocks of References. They are mostly interviews and profiles. There is a single ref that could be counted as secondary, but it a partial interview and is borderline. A before turns up lots of similar coverage. I think this is the second time the article has been created, which indicates either a coi or a UPE. She is on the MIT’s Notable Women Alumni list, which doesn't mean a lot. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO.  scope_creep Talk  12:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * It's pretty well explained above. Sources are all PR pieces, interviews or pieces where she's mentioned in passing. PR pieces are a large part of the Google results I bring up. What's above nicely sums it up. It's a Delete for me. Oaktree b (talk) 04:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


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