Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonny Bama (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Sonny Bama
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Unfortunately G4 was removed as it's not symmetrical to the 1st AfD but the non-notability is still there, nothing here is actually convincing and my own searches have found nothing else better. SwisterTwister  talk  18:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Page meets guidelines for WP:MUSIC by having coverage in reliable publications and has released albums on a large independent label with many notable artists. Jdogg Shaw (talk) 06:28, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 22:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America1000 22:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: just because the record label has notable artists doesn't make Sonny Bama himself notable – see WP:INHERIT. As for reliable sources... two are links to the album on iTunes, the two links to AllMusic only credit Sonny Bama as one of several producers on the albums mentioned (not enough to make him notable), the Datpiff reference is a blog written by a hip hop artist friend of Bama's (not a proper journalist), Average Joe's is the label Bama is signed to, Al.com is an advertising and promotion firm so those two links aren't independent either... and finally Jdogg Shaw, you are John Shaw, the person who wrote the two reviews on Select-o-Hits, which is the the distribution label for Bama's records. So in fact there are no independent reliable sources at all in the article, and you have a conflict of interest which you haven't declared. Overall, this fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Richard3120 (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep According to WP:MUSIC "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." should be sufficient to keep the article. Average Joes and its history more than meets the guidelines. Sonny Bama has also worked with notable artists and produced for them. Furthermore, Richard3120 I have no idea who you are speaking of. No conflict of interest here. I'm just a fan of music in this genre. Jdogg Shaw (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies then for the accusation, if it isn't true. But then you would agree that the two reviews of Sonny Bama by his own label are not independent and are therefore not reliable sources. By the way, you can't vote twice, so your second keep vote should be struck. Richard3120 (talk) 21:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Jdogg Shaw (talk) The key wording in WP:MUSIC criteria is "may be notable..." Having releases on notable labels listed on AllMusic is not an automatic qualifier. Rather, it's a starting point. This article lacks independent quality references that indicate this artist is notable. The argument here seems to be that this subject deserves a page based on two flaws of WP articles that are often deleted: WP:INHERIT and WP:EDPN. ShelbyMarion (talk) 09:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- do not see significant coverage to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:52, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


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