Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sood


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The result was   delete. Black Kite (talk) 18:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Sood

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All the information in the article is based on a self published source (the website of Sood Sabha, Chandigarh). This violates wikipedia's Wikipedia:SPS guidelines.

I googled for some claims made by the article but could not find any reference to them apart from Sood Sabha's website or a website which has just copy-pasted from it. Following are two such claims

Almost all of the article is filled with unverifiable claims. I also googled some names mentioned in the article but could not find a reference to any of them. Following are the names that I searched: Manjan Rao, Bachira Rao, Reejh Rao, Anirudh Rao, Ana Rao, Kin Rao, Kin Rakha Gandal, Maru Desh, Kin Rakha Gandal, Queen Shub Devi Sood, Rana Rai Prashad Sood, Dewan Hari Singh Sood. Gaurav (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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WP:INDAFD : Sood
 * Strong Keep • The article is relying on self-published (non-reliable) sources but the topic is notable as per WP:notability. The references can be found at Sood.  C ute st Penguin Hangout 05:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply @User:Cutest Penguin
 * The article says that Alexander's entry into India was stopped by Rai Shah Sood. I think a king who stopped Alexander's entry into India would have more mentions than just Sood Sabha's website. This and other such dubious claims make me suspect the accuracy of Sood Sabha's website. Since the whole article is copy-pasted from this website, I don't think we should have anything in the article which is not supported by another source.
 * I also feel that the topic is notable. I would suggest rewriting the article while blanking it until rewritten (if blanking is not against Wikipedia's guidelines).
 * The link you provided does not have anything about history of Soods. --Gaurav (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 12:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I think the community / lineage / clan this article is trying to address is synonymous with our article Sodha. However, what we have here is not usable content, and needs to be deleted. Many of the central claims here are simply not plausible. As volume after volume about Alexander the Great will explain, his progress was stopped at the River Beas, not by the "superior forces of Rai Shah Sood", but by a soft mutiny of his own forces, beset by injury, disease, and exhaustion, who refused to cross the river. Furthermore, the territory described as being controlled by the Sood cannot possibility have been so. Much of it is coterminous with the Nanda Empire -- the actual empire that would have awaited Alexander across the Beas -- and pretty much the entire area described would have actually been ruled by the Maurya Empire after Alexander's departure and death. Some of the details about Amarkot are legitimate, but some have no backing in reliable sources that I can find, and the timeline depicted here for events in Amarkot is confused at best. Many, if not all, of the claims here need better sourcing than a self-published website, WP:INDAFD or not. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I find the above analysis by Squeamish Ossifrage convincing. I also googled several items mentioned in the article and found nothing relevant. Too much of the material there is likely to be invented to warrant trying to salvage the article. --Sammy1339 (talk) 01:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. The complete inability of anyone to point out reliable sources, even after two relistings, should be determinative here, since WP:V is nonnegotiable. As Squeamish Ossifrage points out, there is much that is clearly untrue in this article, and whatever might be factual is apparently unverifiable. Deor (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think this article is going to get WP:TNT'd. But do you think it should be replaced with a redirect to Sodha or left empty for someone to hopefully rewrite? --Sammy1339 (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, notability is not relevant if we can't write a verifiable article on the topic. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC).
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