Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sootie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 14:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Sootie
Word as spelled does not exist. The information was originally put at Sooty (here) and claimed to be from 1960's Wales. No dictionary lists this spelling. The current information may be correct but not under this spelling. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi. The previous post was incorrect. The word Sootie, is, as you say, not listed in the dictionary, however I beleive it to be in common usage. Is Wikipedia's policy to remove words not listed in the dictionary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 13 January 2006
 * See Articles for deletion/Exicornt which was a term a user believed was in common usage for Crossover (rail). CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's Wikipedia's policy not to be a dictionary at all. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. If you are having no joy looking up this word in a dictionary, you haven't tried the right dictionary yet.  Try our dictionary: sootie. Uncle G 06:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable protologism. &mdash;Quarl (talk) 2006-01-13 04:15Z 
 * Delete from here, move to wiktionary if someone can verify this use (I couldn't). - Bobet 04:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary already has an article. Uncle G 06:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For those of you who could not find verification on the background to the word 'sootie' this site should help. Welsh mining — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 13 January 2006
 * The word does not occur on that page. Uncle G 08:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * can i please comment on the IP references to each person that makes a comment on this page. so far they have given references in a detrimental manner. i do not see what independant un-biased benefit IP addressess give to anybody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-14 01:03:27 UTC
 * Moreover, there has been reference to the word 'sootie' in conjunction to the London bombings. This can be found at London Bombing discussion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 13 January 2006
 * This is not really a solid example of the word in popular or widespread use. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to me to be sufficient resources backing up the phrase. Links listed by the user do show multiple, and seperate, examples of "sootie" in common usage. Including it's source. - User:andy99 15:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC) (This comment is by 86.12.160.88 too)
 *  Keep This phrase is in common use in my area, which is in the Midlands. This article is one which i believe to be verifiable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 13 January 2006
 *  Keep In Wiktionary, 'Sootie' states, 'Dark in appearence' hence there is good cause to believe that this article is viable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 13 January 2006
 *  Keep In Suffolk this word is part of popular culture to describe someone as "stupid" after they have done something silly. My parents always used to call me a sootie when I was young. I'm not sure where it originated, but found this article very interesting. Any welsh historians out there with more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.160.88 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 13 January 2006
 * Delete: first 100 Google references are mostly names, with a few type of animals, sites in a foreign language, and references to the Burns poem. I can't find any reference to sootie on the Welsh mining site. I'll also note that 86.12.160.88 has only made one edit unrelated to this. TimBentley 17:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the reference on that site either. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * finally, someone else who uses this term. It is used frequently in my place of work, and have never really been sure of its origins. glad to finally put my curiosity to rest. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.225.111 (talk &bull; contribs) 18:01, 13 January 2006 UTC.
 * Yes it's me again. Hi, yes the same old IP address again, just a few more cases of the word being used in the context i mentioned previously. here here and here Although now i'm unsure as to whether to use the spelling IE or Y at the end.  Further to this, looking at this last link (the wikipedia article) it would appear the word could also have originated from the very early Indo-European practice of "suttee"   Pure logic states that that the above saying is logical.
 * Delete unless verified. If verified, then transwiki to Wikitionary. Durova 01:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * All of User:86.12.160.88's arguments so far have been arguments about adding further meanings to a dictionary article in a dictionary, such as sootie. Wikipedia is not a dictionary.  It is an encyclopaedia.  Our articles are not about the words, but about the people/concepts/places/things/events denoted by those words.  Even assuming that the slur exists as claimed, there is no encyclopaedia article about sooties to be had here.  And Wiktionary has a perfectly editable article ready for additional meanings to be added.  Delete. Uncle G 08:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In response to Uncle G, can i just bring it to the attention of all, that history whether it be of a word or anything else is perfectly eligible for an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia, by definition contains 'the entire range of human knowledge' as shown here. This would further support the fact that anything that someone would want to know about something should be found somewhere in an encyclopedia. Hence, bringing it back to the word 'sootie', there is a need for the word to be added to wikipedia so that people can look into the why and wherefores behind the word. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.12.160.88 12:48, 14 January 2006 (talk &bull; contribs).
 * False. Etymology of words is dictionary work.  Again: Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Uncle G 04:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

COMMENT
When is there likely to be a decision on this matter? I feel all the relevant points have been put forward by both sides of the discussion. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steve789 02:56, 16 January 2006 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.