Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophia Y. Vuelo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The extent of the significant coverage hasn't really been addressed directly by those favoring delete, but there seems to be disagreement as to whether/how BLP1E is applicable. Given this has already been re-listed, I'm closing as no consensus. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 08:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Sophia Y. Vuelo

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Non-notable state district court judge; does not meet criteria for judges under WikiProject_United_States_courts_and_judges/Notability. Kablammo (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:47, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Sources from the Keeps have not yet been challenged/tested. Try a re-list.
 * Lean delete per BLP1E. Most sources covering her are solely due to the fact that she's the first Hmong-American judge in Minnesota. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete being the first x-American judge in some state is not a sign of notability. With very few exceptions, the position has to make you notable or coverage of actions makes you notable. This level of judge is very rarely notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Lean delete. Reference Notability guideline for state court judges, specifically this bit: Such judges are not inherently notable, but holding such a position is strong evidence of notability that can be established by other indicia of notability. In particular, state courts of appeals judges who serve for a comparatively long time, who preside over important cases, or whose opinions are often cited by higher courts in the state, by federal courts, or by state courts in other states, are highly likely to be notable. It's possible that this one could eventually receive similarly prominent coverage but we're not at that stage yet IMHO. 38.142.216.106 (talk) 16:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reference Politicians and judges which states that "[m]ajor local political figures who have received significant press coverage" and that a "politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles by journalists" do not meet deletion standards. There are more than enough independently published articles/news videos about her by journalists including the two cited on her page and more from KSTP, Asian American Press, Hmong Times, NBC, Mitchell Hamline School of Law, KVRR, and The Leader-Telegram. Regardless of why she is being covered, these sources discuss her life history and significance in both state and national levels of history. And BLP1E states that all three conditions must be met for a page to be deleted. Clearly, the third one ("If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented") does not apply here, as this subject has been very well documented. Sbbarker19 (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:SIGCOV. It's not ours to question why someone is being covered; cf. Missing white woman syndrome. Bearian (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep meets WP:GNG was the first Hmong-American judge in Minn. The article could use an experienced editor to clean up and develop. But WP:NOTCLEANUP Lightburst (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: This judge is significant only because she is the first Hmong judge in Minnesota (at the time there were others, in California and Wisconsin); as a single-county district court judge, she is low profile other than locally; and the event itself is not of great significance (there are now two other Hmong judges in Minnesota).  This BLP was created as an attack page, which should also weigh in the balance.  As nominator, I of course vote to delete.  Kablammo (talk) 12:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete based on the news coverage I've been able to find, fails WP:BLP1E - don't really know how to expand the article and almost all the coverage is from when she was appointed a judge. In terms of BLP1E #3 as discussed above, I don't think becoming a judge is a "significant event," it is routine. While I wouldn't mind a keep based on the nature of her accomplishment, the sourcing does not currently support that. SportingFlyer  T · C  10:45, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As well as the coverage included above, which dates from 2010, 2017 and 2018, there is also coverage in earlier newspapers, such as the Leader-Telegram, Eau-Claire, Wisconsin in 2002 (this gives her original name Yeu Vue, and how she derived her current name from joining Vue with her husband's family name Lo) ; and the La Crosse Tribune 2004 . So that is coverage from at least 2002-2018, and several are profiles of a good length (2002, 2010 , 2018 ). I don't see how it could possibly be BLP1E when she was only appointed as a judge in December 2017. I will add some more sources and info. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I would argue, and fairly strongly, that the coverage she received from Eau Claire and La Crosse was not from any "event" she was notable for, but rather simply the local newspaper interviewing a local, and that BLP1E still applies. SportingFlyer  T · C  11:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I have added sources and information to the article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:42, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


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