Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie Harker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A consensus to Keep since the first of two re-lists, with the Telegraph article giving a measure of WP:SIGCOV, and none of the arguments put forward by Keeps since 15 October refuted. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Sophie Harker

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a beginning engineer, not yet notable., with a promotional article. All the awards oare specifically awards for beginners. The promotionalism is signalled by such things as using her first name alone in the article, which is appropriate only for popular performers, and rpeatedm ention of the same award.

We need to cover more women in engineering. We should do so from among those who have already had successful careers, not those who merely hope to have one.  DGG ( talk ) 04:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 17:22, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The discussion so far has lacked policy-based arguments.
 * Delete as too soon. According to the initial edit summary the article was created because she was on the list of Top 50 Influential Women in Engineering for 2017. But that year the list was for early career women with a theme of "Under 35", and early career awards are not sufficient. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete There are huge numbers of notable engineers who lack articles. We do not need to go to creating articles on non-notable engineers like Harker.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, the six awards and accolades Harker has received demonstrate she is a person of note. McPhail (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. She won six awards in a short period of time:
 * Technical Graduate of the Year - new graduate award
 * Graduate of the Year 2017 - new graduate award
 * Top 50 Women in Engineering 2017 (Telegraph) - early career women with a theme of "Under 35"
 * Bee Beaumont Award - recognizes newly qualified engineers
 * 2018 Young Woman Engineer of the Year Award - early career award
 * Henry Royce Medal - outstanding young professional (early career award)
 * These are all new graduate or early career awards. If she were an academic they would not count toward WP:NPROF. That guideline requires that an academic or research make a significant contribution toward her field and does not consider early career awards sufficient. However Harker is a professional engineer. Perhaps given that she has won so many different awards in a short time, the press releases of the awards could be considered enough for WP:GNG. But winning this many awards also might be a case of WP:ONEEVENT. It is wonderful when the press picks up press releases about a young woman engineer doing well, but I don't think that meets the qualifications for a Wikipedia article about an engineer. I assume she won the young graduate awards on the basis of her academic record, but the article is also lacking a description of the engineering work that won her the early career awards. What was it that she did? StarryGrandma (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Harker's awards range from the BAE Systems Technical Graduate of the Year (2016) to the RAEng Engineers Trust Young Engineer of the Year (July 2019). Multiple awards ranging over four years cannot by any stretch of the imagination be described as "one event". McPhail (talk) 20:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]". Harker clearly meets this test. Additional criteria: The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times. Harker has received multiple significant awards and honours.
 * Further evidence of notability:
 * As set out above, Harker has won seven separate awards relating to engineering. This sets her apart from other engineers.
 * Harker features in "A nationwide STEM awareness campaign led by the Royal Academy of Engineering"
 * Harker featured in a competition ran by The Beano, one of the UK's bestselling comics.
 * Harker "is one of the youngest engineers to have achieved Chartered Engineer status at just 25 years old".
 * Harker is described by the Royal Academy of Engineering as a truly exceptional and talented engineer (who) works at the forefront of aerospace technology
 * McPhail (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. (Since I approved this article through AfC I'm obviously a keep as well) Academic notability was never in consideration.  The combination of significant awards from the leading professional bodies and press coverage (see McPhail's post above or a Google News search for "Sophie Harker") beyond the awards satisfied WP:GNG in my opinion.  AugusteBlanqui (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - The subject's awards recognize her contributions and show notability in her engineering field both during and after college. Also, the subject has received wide media coverage. Easily passes WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 20:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep She made it to the Telegraph education section  and the mirror and the Independent . She is being celebrated a bit I think perhaps for the awards, but the coverage is name drops.  I think there is enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. Also the Kirkintilloch Herald mentions her.   scope_creep Talk  11:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed the Telegraph entry is detailed.  scope_creep Talk  11:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


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