Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie McLean


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete & Redirect to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous.  Dei zio  talk 21:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sophie McLean
A spokeswoman for Landmark Education (formerly known as EST) whose only claim to notability is as a talking head for a French TV documentary. Was tagged with "Prod", but removed by article creator with the comment appears in controversial France 3 documentary Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous that caused Landmark Education to leave the whole of France. Since she's not the one who caused Landmark Education to leave the whole of France, I'm not seeing the relevance there. Note: appears to be part of a whole walled garden of Landmark Education-related articles by. Calton | Talk 05:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - First of all, I resent the personal attack against this editor by User Calton|Talk. Second, the Sophie McLean article (so far) contains (3) separate referenced citations in media journal articles.  Third, this article was only just started a few hours ago.  Why not at the very least give it some time to see if it will be expanded upon?  A search for Sophie McLean with various additional related terms yields thousands of results on Google.  Surely we can afford to wait a little while to see what happens.  Yours, Smeelgova 06:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC).
 * And those "personal attacks" would be what, exactly? --Calton | Talk 06:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have strived to make sure that my edits have been backed up by a trail of reputable sources and citations. I would much rather have a discussion about one particular article, than have someone insinuate something as to my edit motives.  Virtually all editors stay within a small realm of editing on Wikipedia - so long as they cite referenced sources this should not be an issue.  Yours, Smeelgova 06:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC).
 * Ah, so you'd like the smear but not actually have to back it up? Got it. Oh, and note: "lack of footnotes" wasn't why I nominated this, banging on about how many you have is irrelevant. --Calton | Talk 07:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * comment Smeelgova's treatment of McLean in that article did not strike me as POV and he appears to be editing in good faith. Calton made a comment from which the inference could be drawn that he considers Smeelgova to have a POV agenda, but while this may have been inconsiderate, it does not rise to the level of a personal attack.  Just my two cents.  --Hyperbole 07:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you for your comment with regard to "he appears to be editing in good faith." - Yours, Smeelgova 07:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC).


 * Merge and redirect to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous. Since McLean is really notable only in the context of the documentary, it stands to reason that information about her should go in that article. --Hyperbole 07:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete This is one of many articles created, links built, and postings made by Smeelgova which look increasingly like an orchestrated smear campaign. DaveApter 11:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: DaveApter (talk • contribs)  has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.
 * Comment: I agree, this appears to be an intentional attack WP:WALL. The whole lot needs to go up for AfD.--Aaron 19:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete This person's history does not appear to be noteworthy for an encyclopedia. Spacefarer 11:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not an appropriate encyclopedia article. Just one example is the quote they choose to use describing Ms. McLean's visit to France is from "Cult News" by Rick Ross (in itself a warning sign as Mr. Ross is one of the most extreme anti-LE advocates on the internet and is not even close to an objective source) and half the quote is about how this French expert did not "really" say it wasn't a cult. Apparently they can't read French.  He said :: "« Aucun des six éléments majeurs relatifs aux sectes ne s'applique à Landmark Education »"  He states that they are not a cult, or rather more rigorously that the attributes of a cult are not present.  This is clearly a biased article. Alex Jackl 13:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * At the VERY least some of the NPOV aspects of this article should be moved to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous as Hyperbole suggested above. This is not about Ms. Mclean whose name is on the article only as an entry point for the author to evangalize about this French film. Alex Jackl 13:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * DeleteThis article has no relevance in an encyclopedia.Nsamuel 15:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Nsamuel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.
 * DeleteThe subject is not noteworthy for an encyclopedia. WiseWiki 16:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: WiseWiki (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.
 * Delete per nom and DaveApter. This appears to be an orchestrated campaign. --Aaron 19:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * DeleteThis editor's has a history of creating unbalanced bias article with absolutely no NPOV, not to mention the subject matter has no place in an encyclopedia. Blondie0309 21:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Blondie0309 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.
 * Merge and redirect to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous. Per Hyperbole's comment above: "Merge and redirect to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous. Since McLean is really notable only in the context of the documentary, it stands to reason that information about her should go in that article.", I have merge/redirected to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous, pending resolution of this discussion.  Yours, Smeelgova 22:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC).
 * DeleteThe subject is not noteworthy for an encyclopedia. Sm1969 14:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC) — Possible single purpose account: Sm1969 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other contributions outside this topic.


 * has redirected this article to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous so that is fine for now. Other issues may be at play here.--MONGO 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are also several category tags on that redirect. I will remove them. Crockspot 20:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.