Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soul Crew


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The result was KEEP (nc). -Docg 22:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Soul Crew

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A seemigly non-notable bunch of hooliganisms from Cardif. I've lived in Cardiff and have heard of them myself, but that's not relevant. I've also heard of a few chip shops and exciting lampposts in Cardiff...if they can claim notability, then I'll give up the fight to delete this. Madnessinshorts 21:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination, barring anything that establishes notability. --Mhking 21:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Nowhere near notable. Gan fon  21:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the more notorious hooligan firms. Media coverage has included a BBC documentary and a book. Oldelpaso 22:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Oldelpaso 22:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - they have not been treated in multiple non-trivial independent works (the book is penned by one of the crew's members, so only the BBC doc qualifies). Some sites say there is an Irvine Welsh film about the gang planned but it is not listed in his profile on IMDb. With that in mind, I don't see it satisfies the 'multiple non-trivial independent works' quality. Qwghlm 23:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe the subject does meet the notability criteria, as per Oldelpaso's arguments. While I understand up to a certain point Qwghlm's objection that the book does not count, as it was penned by one of the members, I would argue that reviews of that book (taking it seriously as a documentary source about a notable phenomenon). Just after a very brief search, two different reviews here, a more academic one and a webzine one:, as well as listings from mainstream retailers such as HMV. As for the Irvine Welsh film, the BBC have reported this, and while I don't know at what level a planned film becomes something referenable, a reference such as this on the BBC website certainly shows a degree of notability, and could lead people to try and find out more from a reference source such as this.Robotforaday 17:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
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