Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soumendu Lahiri (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Star  Mississippi  22:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Soumendu Lahiri
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I don't see the person received any significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Didn't won any significant award or honor (recognition from the governor of West Bengal isn't a significant honor, they frequently gives this type of honor). The person's works hasn't become a significant monument, won significant critical attention. Full of self references, looks like created by someone close. Article fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that article has been deleted from Bengali Wikipedia. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 19:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * And also Note that @আফতাবুজ্জামান is an administrator of Bengali Wikipedia . Tbengalieditor  >  Talk  02:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Poetry,  and India. Shellwood (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * According to your statement you told that, "Recognition from the hon'ble Governor of West Bengal isn't a significant honor, they frequently gives this type of honor" . But as per my knowledge is concerned I do know that the honors about which you are speaking about is also given frequently to the respected persons.
 * But the recognition from the hon'ble Governor of West Bengal, India is not "this type of honor" as per your statement.  It is a prestigious honor which is not given to everyone and frequently.
 * I think you're trying to diminish the value of this prestigious recognition. Tbengalieditor (talk) 04:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A mere "Recognition" is not a significant honor, not same as e.g. Bankim Puraskar, Sahitya Akademi Award etc. Here a teacher from West Bengal got a "Recognition" from Governor of Jharkhand for writing a book, should we create an article about this person? This type of honor/recognition are frequently given, we should not keep this article just because of this. The article was deleted last year with clear consensus. Since then nothing has been changed. No significant coverage, no in-depth coverage. Nothing in Bengali either.
 * Pinging participant from last afd --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 15:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * As per your statement that the recognition from The Hon'ble Governor is frequently given, can you please help me by telling the name of the persons (at least 20 persons) who have got the recognition from the Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal ?
 * If the person from West Bengal who has got recognition from The Hon'ble Governor of Jharkhand for his literary work, has written independent books and his literary works has been published from reliable sources like newspapers, and articles on his name have also been published on newspapers, then obviously the person should have an wiki article.
 * Soumendu Lahiri has written some independent books of poetry and worked with other poets in various collective anthology. Name of some books are added in the bibiliography section of the article with their ISBN No. His literary works and biography have been published on some popular newspapers of West Bengal like- Anandabazar Patrika, Puber Kalom etc. Regards,-- Tbengalieditor (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Literary works has been published from reliable sources like newspapers", "has written some independent books of poetry and worked with other poets in various collective anthology", has "ISBN" doesn't mean they are automatically notable. That's not receiving significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Otherwise you can create articles about every columnist, every reporter, every writer of newspaper. Every writer who wrote some books. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 13:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You're saying at first that ' "Literary works has been published from reliable sources like newspapers", "has written some independent books of poetry and worked with other poets in various collective anthology", has "ISBN" doesn't mean they are automatically notable. ' . On other hand you're saying That' s not receiving significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.    It means you' re focusing on significant coverage in reliable sources after ignoring them. You are accepting the truth in a different way which (The Truth) I said clearly earlier.
 * Every columnist, every reporter, every writer of newspaper writes on newspaper but generally they do not become the subject of the news or article ; that is why except on notable persons one should not create wiki article on them (Every columnist, every reporter, every writer of newspaper).
 * As per wiki norms if an author has some independent books (It wil be more helpful if there is ISBN), he has become the subject of a news article or has recieved a special honor etc. then he is notable (wiki-lawfully but not "automatically"). Please See WP:GNG
 * "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
 * The book-length history of IBM by Robert Sobel is plainly non-trivial coverage of IBM.
 * Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band.
 * "Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
 * "Sources" should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected. Sources do not have to be available online or written in English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.
 * "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.
 * Please check the reference section of the article Soumendu Lahiri. There are multiple significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
 * Respected Sir, you have not answered my question yet - "Can you please help me by telling the name of the persons (at least 20 persons) who have got the recognition from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal ?"  As you have told that the honor from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal is frequently given. Regards -- Tbengalieditor (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Receiving significant coverage doesn't mean publishing your work on a newspaper, It means someone wrote about you/your work, and not just 1-2 line. Also it has to be in a reliable sources and independent of the subject. I failed to see those in the article, most of them are unreliable, self source, primary, or passing mentions. I already reviewed references section and that's why i started this afd. Wait for others to comment, if they think reference are reliable, not self source, not primary, or not passing mentions, article will be kept. You don't have to worry, i am not destroying your article. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Respected Sir, You have said, "... I failed to see those in the article, most of them are unreliable...". But please permit me to mention here that he has been the subject in news articles in depth and his works have been published on newspapers which have wikipedia page like- Puber Kalom, Anandabazar Patrika.
 * Is it not a significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject ? Regards --- Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Publishing you're work on Puber Kalom, Anandabazar Patrika doesn't mean you're automatically notable. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @আফতাবুজ্জামান Not only works, But also Biography in depth on renowned newspapers. Regards--- Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 08:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * References
 * 1. a poem, primary, written by subject himself
 * 2. interview, primary, unreliable source
 * 3. written by subject himself
 * 4. unreliable source
 * 5. Written by his son, primary
 * 6. unreliable + passing mention
 * 7. passing mention
 * 8. primary/unreliable
 * 9. passing mention + unreliable source
 * 10-12. primary + unreliable source + written by subject himself
 * 13. unreliable source + passing mention
 * 14-18. primary + unreliable source + written by subject himself
 * 19. unreliable source + passing mention
 * 20-27. primary + unreliable source + written by subject himself
 * 28-30. unreliable source
 * 31. passing mention
 * 33-40. unreliable source
 * 41-43. passing mention + unreliable source
 * IMO, Article fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG, but wait for others to comment, if they think references OK, article will be kept. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Widely circulated and renowned newspapers published from West Bengal of India, which have own wikipedia pages like- Anandabazar Patrika, Puber Kalom from which his works and articles have been published and you're saying these are not reliable sources. On the other hand The Honor from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal is mere a puppet to you as you told previously - "A mere "Recognition" is not a significant honor,...".  But you're failed to show as well as trying to avoid my question, "Can you please help me by telling the name of the persons (at least 20 persons) who have got the recognition from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal ?" As you have told that the honor from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal is frequently given.
 * Lahiri has written four independent books and worked in many collective anthology which have ISBN, which also has no importance to you.
 * Whenever I'm talking about major points, you're misleading the conversation. Let the respected administrators come, they will decide whether the article will be kept or not. Regards --- Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 04:56, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have doubt about Puber Kalom. It's more about what type of coverage. 1-2 lines or passing mention on Anandabazar is not significant coverage. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No sir, his biography was published on Puber Kalom in depth along with other newspapers which have R.N.I No.(Government of India).
 * and above all he got recognition from The Hon'ble Governor of West Bengal, India. With Best Regards --- Tbengalieditor 🚀 (talk) 03:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I should stop, there is no point repeating above discussion again. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tbengalieditor, Q: Do have any connection with the subject? If not, how did you took this photo? আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I'd like to see more consideration of the sources from other editors who frequent AFD with more substantial feedback than "per nom". The discussion has to go beyond nominator vs. page creator. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom —MdsShakil (talk) 18:18, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please describe the reason why this article should not be kept. Has it any proper reason? or it is just a reflection of any influence as you are from bengali wikipedia & the person who nominated this page for deletion is an administrator of bengali wikipedia. Regards --- Tbengalieditor  >  Talk  19:04, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You should notice this or this before accusing me that i am influencing someone. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Think before you tell anyone, there's already a lot of discussion about the source, i don't see a good reason to bring them back here. —MdsShakil (talk) 14:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Source analysis by আফতাবুজ্জামান shows that WP:ANYBIO is not met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @MrsSnoozyTurtle After Delete there will be a ":" which you have not written.
 * & Point to be noted, page history clearly shows that you had added fanpov tag before this AFD started. But at that time you didn’t tagged this page for deletion. What makes you compelled to do that so? Regards ---
 * What makes you compell to do that so?  Tbengalieditor  >  Talk  02:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed I haven't, but hopefully that doesn't make my !vote invalid :)
 * There has already been too much dubious behaviour here, so I request that we just focus on the sources and Wikipedia's policies from now on please. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep : This article Passes WP:ANYBIO and WP:AUTHOR.God choise (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)  — God choise (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Not sure how article passes ANYBIO, AUTHOR if subject doesn't have any WP:SIGCOV. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 04:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of West Bengal-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:12, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt per the cogent source analysis by আফতাবুজ্জামান. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NAUTHOR, and WP:ANYBIO. Please salt this so that it has to go to draft if it's re-created a third time.4meter4 (talk) 02:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


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