Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Seas genre


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The result was snow keep. Geschichte (talk) 05:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

South Seas genre

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I see no evidence that this has been discussed anywhere as a real genre, beyond just being entertainment set in islands within Oceania. Of course, there are certain tropes that you would expect to find in something set in the South Seas, but that's no different from there being tropes associated with, say, films set in Paris, and there is no "Paris genre" article. One option, short of deletion, is to just rename this article to something like "List of films set in islands in the Pacific Ocean" or "Pacific islands in popular culture", or something like that. Korny O&#39;Near (talk) 13:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep The nominator is proposing a title change, not deletion. The South Seas is a common setting for films and fiction and there are several books written about this.  For example, see South Sea Maidens: Western Fantasy and Sexual Politics in the South Pacific which discusses the topic in detail – "Donovan's Reef (1963) might be taken as a useful benchmark in the decline of the South Sea genre."  It seems to be a genre just like the Western (genre) but debating this is not a matter for AfD. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and stubbify per WP:OR. This is mostly OR at the moment, but the GBooks search result suggests that this is a real thing. I don't think WP:CSK applies because the nomination suggests WP:OR concerns, which is a core policy matter. I do disagree that the article is unsalvageable, however. And I actually don't think a name change would be appropriate, since scholarship suggests that it is indeed a real genre. Rather, the article just needs some real sourcing, which appears available. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep While you might not see much "discussion" of this genre in today's film and literature industries, it was a genre at one time. The books in "References" and the link in "External links" should be sufficient to demonstrate this. The article does need a lot of work with respect to specific citations, and that should be noted at the top of the article. The point that the article seems to list any "entertainment set in the islands within Oceania" is a valid point. I cannot say whether or not the films and novels that are listed truly fit the South Seas Genre. That is one reason citations are needed. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 16:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: what said above.   // Timothy ::  talk  16:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I added some information from three published books: Hollywood's South Seas and the Pacific War: Searching for Dorothy Lamour (2012), The South Seas: A Reception History from Daniel Defoe to Dorothy Lamour (2015) and African Americans and the Pacific War, 1941-1945: Race, Nationality, and the Fight for Freedom (2018). There are also many other books available through a Google Books search for "south seas genre". — Toughpigs (talk) 19:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep As others have stated, this is a real genre, or used to be one.  D r e a m Focus  19:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources provided by Toughpigs. This was, and maybe still is, a definite genre that got definite discussion. Hog Farm Bacon 22:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - once notable, and it was, always notable. This nomination is like saying Hagiography is not notable because nobody reads about ten thousand virgins anymore. Bearian (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC) Bearian (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC) Possibly worst nom since Procol Harum was nominated in 2007. Bearian (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above keepers. This is a significant media genre. I wouldn't say it's any works set in Oceania. Lord of the Flies isn't here and shouldn't be; its themes are different. From what I remember of it Six Days, Seven Nights could stand to go. Both Bird of Paradise films, the Michener works, Mutiny on the Bounty, and even The Blue Lagoon demonstrate the list part is decent. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 10:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There may still need to be more work on developing the article, but this is clearly a real genere that actually existed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


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