Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Wirral High School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

South Wirral High School

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No notability for this high school. Sulmues (talk) 15:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC) Comment: Can you please give me a link to say that all secondary schools are notable? --Sulmues (Talk) 18:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Precedent is that all secondary schools are presumed notable. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 16:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It's in the description of the common outcome, summarized in WP:OUTCOMES. "Schools are frequently nominated for deletion. The current notability guideline for schools and other education institutions is WP:ORG. Most elementary and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability are now getting merged or redirected in AfD, with high schools being kept except where they fail verifiability."   As with a lot of gray areas, there's never been a clearly adopted policy on this one.  The outcome page, by it's very title, reflects how matters are usually resolved in practice in a deletion debate.  There are plenty of bridgeplayers who like to form a task forces with heated debates that result in nothing but hard feelings, but the real fashioning of "policy" takes place here at AfD--- the people who argue keep and delete don't talk about their philosophies, they just carry them out, majority rules.  If you want to watch people write, you go to a policy debate.  If you want to see something get done, you come here.  I don't think I've seen a high school article deleted in the last three years, but if you can persuade enough people that there should be a different outcome, this one will be deleted.  Folks can complain all they want to that we're not supported by policy; as far as I'm concerned, the participants in the discussions are the policy. Mandsford 21:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I fundamentally disagree with the current "consensus" that all high schools have inherited notability. This isn't a vote from me, just a statement of opinion; to let editors know that not everybody considers it a sin to nominate an article about a high school for deletion. Hopefully in the future this consensus will change.  Them  From  Space  01:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone considers it a sin; well, there's this one guy who does, but he says he's filled with the Holy School Spirit; I'm afraid that at some point, some moron will decide to make 100 little stub articles that say "_____ High School is a high school in ______" and then get patted on the back for the "contribution", but overall, I think it's a good compromise. It evolved from the concept that all inhabited places are notable (don't get me started on that one), and the joke was "on Wikipedia, they don't think that a high school is notable... but the f***ing bus stop is".  There are arguments on both sides, the main one being for it being that the high school is one of the more important parts of a community and it confers the earliest certification of education for the residents, etc. etc.  It might sound weak, and there are others who have similar doubts, which is why there's never been an official policy hammered out.  Attitudes about things change on Wikipedia, so there might someday be a consensus toward deleting rather than retaining the school articles.  It's happened with other things that used to be kept by an overwhelming vote, like TV episodes and the aforementioned bus stops. Mandsford 03:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (Comment completely irrelevant to this AfD; closer please ignore.) I see a lot of these when I'm going through the cats of articles needing geocoding, and what strikes me is the wretched condition that most of them are in (and the prevalence of content copy/pasted from the schools' Web sites, but that's a different matter). One would think that building a good article about one's secondary school would be a educational exercise in researching, citing sources, etc., that would interest students and that teachers might well use as a class project, but apparently few do. Deor (talk) 12:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as all high schools are deemed notable. However, the presumption that all high school are actually notable might be re-examined.  Then the results should be applied as per WP:SIMTREATMENTISOK (similiar treatment is okay), which is not the same as other crap exists. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - the reasoning for keeping high schools is given in WP:NHS. High schools are significant institutions in their community and, with sufficient research, experience shows that suitable sources can be found. Even a cursory web search show sources that can be added to meet WP:ORG. This school was was established by the merger of 'Eastham Secondary School' and 'Bromborough Secondary School' so the history of all three schools is available to be incorporated. TerriersFan (talk) 23:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Over one thousand people are educated in this school, and hundreds of thousands of people will have been educated here in the past. That's notable enough for me.  TALL e N  talk 00:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per OUTCOMES. First Light (talk) 17:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
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