Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Cherokee Nation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result wasspeedy deleted as a copyvio. Non-admin close. --Seed 2.0 17:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Southern Cherokee Nation

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Non-existent Federally Recognized Tribe Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 14:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone else claims they are recognized. http://www.nativeculturelinks.com/nations.html Please cite your source that they are not recognized. --Kebron 14:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: They claim they are recognized. http://www.southern-cherokee.com/html/historicaloverview.htm
 * (Note: I have taken the liberty to remove the section markup to avoid breaking the log's layout. --Seed 2.0 15:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC))


 * delete - Non-existent Federally Recognized Tribe. Although a Southern Cherokee Group existed in ancient times, there is no credible evidence that the current group claiming to be the "Southern Cherokee Nation" is the same group, nor is there any method to verify this information as factual.  This group does not appear on the Federal Registry of Native American Tribes Listed with the Bureau of Indian Affairs despite their claims they are Federally recognized.  This article fails WP:V and in fact, there is suffcient evidence to suggest these claims are false on this groups website.   There is also no group affiliated with the Cherokee Nation proper as the Southern Cherokee Nation.  Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 15:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Once again, please show us this list? Where do we find it? Where can it be independently verified? --Kebron 15:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe Jeffrey Vernon Merkey is referring to the list of Federally recognized Indian tribes that the Department of the Interior (or, more specifically, the BIA) periodically publishes in the Federal Register (the list is also available right here). Please note that individual states may choose to recognize tribes that are not recognized by the federal government. -- Seed 2.0 15:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * States have no authhority to recognize Indian Tribes. See WP:NATIVE. State recognized Indian Tribes fail WP:V because they cannot be verified as being Indian Tribes.  Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 15:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Clarification: I should have made clear that I was speaking in general (ie. there are Indian tribes that are officially recognized by one or even some states but aren't on the BIA list), and not so much in terms of verifiability. Thank you for pointing this out though. Cheers, -- Seed 2.0 16:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment. The entire text of the article is a verbatim copy of the first paragraph of this. Speediable as a copyvio? Deor 16:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good catch. The article is linked but I think it's still G12: no compatible license, no assertion of permission, straight copy by single editor, no non-infringing content. So I went ahead and speedied it as a copyvio. -- Seed 2.0 16:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.