Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Flame


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, fails to meet standards of notability per WP:MUSIC. --Stormie (talk) 09:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Southern Flame

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I declined a speedy delete request because of some assertion of notability. However I will leave it to the wider community to decide if this band is notable. Their label has an article but it is not a label in the usual corporate sense of the word. A former member is with a band but it is borderline as well. JodyBtalk 13:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: As the original editor who nominated the article for SP, I still feel that the articles does not meet WP:NOTE. Wisdom89 (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with you and that is why I brought it here. But I could not delete the article under CSD because I thought it failed WP:N. The article does seem to assert notability and that makes it ineligible for speedy delete. Sounds like a lot of process but there is good reasoning behind doing it this way. -JodyBtalk 15:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I know, I understand your motives - I was merely indicating that my opinion hasn't changed, that's all. There is some assertion of notability, so yes, the community should take a lengthy look. Wisdom89 (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, fine, sorry I misunderstood. - JodyBtalk 15:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Nn band, fails WP:BAND.  STORMTRACKER   94  14:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment As the creator of this page, I am very happy that it is no longer considered for speedy deletion. Thank you all for opening a discussion.  However, I must argue that the article is necessary, if not because their music is available world-wide and that they have a large fan base, then because the former member is now a part of a band that is deemed "notible" by Wikipedia standards.  This former member is also now part of another band called Gorgeous Frankenstein with Doyle von Frankenstein and tours with Danzig.  I was reluctant to play the "seven degrees of separation" game in my article, but perhaps it is necessary?  Sincere thanks... Collectivehunch (talk) 19:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment notability is not inherited in either direction, up or down.  Thin boy  00  @990, i.e. 22:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I understand your point Thinboy00, however, the guidelines for notability for a band clearly states that a band is notable if it "contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable". Andrew Winter (A.K.A Jesco Devilanse) became a part of the group Blitzkid (notable on Wikipedia), and then later joined in a new band with Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein, a former member of The Misfits. Collectivehunch (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  00:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Stripes is apparently a non-notable member of The Misfits, since he isn't even mentioned in that article, so Southern Flame fails WP:Music on the member who is a member of another notable band criterion. -Freekee (talk) 04:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I never claimed that Andrew "Stripes" Winter (A.K.A. Jesco Devilanse) was a member of the Misfits, however he is now in a band with one of the most famous people of the Misfits, Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein.  The name of the band that they are both currently in is Gorgeous Frankenstein.  You can check the article here, or the official MySpace here. Collectivehunch (talk) 04:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies for misreading the text of the article. However, the assertion of notability here is that someone from this band went on to another band, Blitzkid, (which is only barely notable enough for an article), and is now in Gorgeous Frankenstein, which seems to be notable only for the fact that it contains a former member of an even bigger band (and for which there is no article). As someone who works on band articles, I would never bother to write an article on someone as non-notable as this. I still give it a Weak Delete. Sorry. I suggest copying the text to re-add the article if they do anything more notable (like get signed), in case it's deleted. -Freekee (talk) 03:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.