Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Min Wikipedia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:12, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Southern Min Wikipedia

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Unnotable wiki citing only primary sources. That is to say Wikipedia/other Wikimedia projects.

Perhaps this is also considered circular referencing? Quick Quokka [⁠talk • contribs] 04:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Internet, Websites, Asia, China,  and Taiwan.  Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 04:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * keep per sources below. Redirect to List of Wikipedias per WP:ATD-R &mdash;siro&chi;o 06:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "你看過Wikipedia(維基百科)嗎? 12月14日下午政大原民中心邀請到清大物理學系陳柏中副教授、大漢技術學院資訊管理學系楊允言助理教授和台東大學華語文學系張學謙副教授, 分享Wikipedia (維基百科) 台語版本的建置與經營經過, 這是第一次從資訊科學、語言社會學、資訊管理學跨領 ... 陳柏中首先提到，2003年他在美國唸書就參與維基百科的繁體中文與簡體中文之爭，到最後自力更 ... 生成立「Holopedia」的過程，他們從三人創始元老團隊草創爭取Wikipedia中Holo話成為獨立語言的故事. 除了努力寫詞條叩關,還面臨技術面的問題與挑戰,最後是還有來自懂網路但不懂母語的寫手，以及其他台語運動低度結合等社群動員面的問題，但是在Holo話以白話字首先扣關維基百科成功後，目前維基百科漢語系下已有粵語、贛語、吳語、文言、客家話、閩東語和潮洲話等8個版本. " From Google Translate: "Have you read Wikipedia (Wikipedia)? On the afternoon of December 14, the Indigenous Peoples Center of National Chengchi University invited Associate Professor Chen Baizhong, Department of Physics, Tsinghua University, Assistant Professor Yang Yunyan, Department of Information Management, Dahan Institute of Technology, and Associate Professor Zhang Xueqian, Department of Chinese Language and Literature, Taitung University to share about Wikipedia, the establishment and operation of the Taiwanese version [Holopedia]. This is the first time that information science, linguistic sociology, and information management have crossed fields... Chen Baizhong first mentioned that he participated in Wikipedia in 2003 when he was studying in the United States. The struggle between Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese, and finally the process of establishing "Holopedia" by self-reliance. They started from the three-person founding veteran team to strive for the Holo language in Wikipedia to become an independent language. In addition to working hard to write entries, there are also technical problems and challenges. Finally, there are writers who understand the Internet but do not understand their mother tongue, and other community mobilization problems such as low integration of Taiwanese language movements, but after the Holo dialect was first linked to Wikipedia with vernacular characters, Wikipedia currently has 8 versions under the Chinese department, including Cantonese, Gan, Wu, Classical, Hakka, Hokkien and Teochew."   The book notes: "Significantly, the second strongest Sinitic language, comprising more than 200,000 articles, is identified as Bân-lâm-gú/Hō-ló-oē, which includes Taiwanese. Even more importantly, since the overwhelming majority of articles are written entirely in the Roman alphabet, the Bân-lâm-gú Wikipedia (also known as Holopedia) is the only Sinitic Wikipedia with virtually no Chinese characters. Obviously, this seems to confirm my previous impression that advocates of an alphabetic Taiwanese orthography have been most active in spreading their aspired standard. Figure 12.1 shows the beginning of the entry ‘Republic of China’ on Holopedia. ... If we take the Holopedia not only as a sign of the vitality of alphabetically written Taiwanese, it turns out that today, like 20 years ago, governmental and non-governmental language planners still do not pull together, in terms of both intensity and substance. It has to be emphasised that individual non-governmental agency in language planning cannot be limited to the Holopedia community."   The book notes: "台文人士在網路商業公司未大量開設類似服務之前，就開始試驗 blog 跟 wiki. 在2003 年「暗光鳥ê厝」開始試寫個人 blog(http://lomaji.com/oldblog). 同時，陳柏中試驗經營「台語文 Weblog 中心」(http://weblog.holopedia.org)，軟體則使用時興的 Movable Type. 這提供免費的blog 帳號空間給有興趣寫台語文的人士書寫用，最熱鬧之時會吸引數十人. 同 (2003) 年，戴凱序跟陳 柏中兩人規劃、設立 Holopedia.net. Holopedia 是一個用wiki技術編寫百科全 書的數位事工,試驗一年後遷移到相同性質的 Wikipedia，變成其台文版(http:// nan.wikipedia.org)，到2008年2月已累計有兩千九百多篇文章. " From Google Translate: "Taiwanese people began to experiment with blogs and wikis before Internet business companies opened a large number of similar services. In 2003, "Dark Light Bird ê Cuo" began to try to write a personal blog (http://lomaji.com/oldblog). At the same time, Chen Bozhong tried to operate the "Taiwanese Weblog Center" (http://weblog.holopedia.org), and the software used the fashionable Movable Type. This provides free blog account space for those who are interested in writing Taiwanese language, and it will attract dozens of people at the most lively time. In the same year (2003), Dai Kaixu and Chen Baizhong planned and established Holopedia.net. Holopedia is a digital ministry that uses wiki technology to write encyclopedias. After a year of experimentation, it migrated to Wikipedia of the same nature and became its Taiwanese version (http://nan.wikipedia.org). By February 2008, it had accumulated There are more than 2,900 articles."   The book notes: "二、台語維基百科: 台語線頂百科全書是2003 年設立，叫做 Holopedia ， 2004 年加入維基百科 (Wikipedia) ，到 2013 年 12 月,已經有 11,000 外篇詞條，是用 POJ 寫. 當初用POJ 用漢字寫，是經過真濟討論得著結果，主要是若用漢字寫，寫法可能會真無一致. 網址 "http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/". 因為是維基百科一部分若是所看這个詞條有其它語言版本，詞條頁面倒爿有選項 ，會使直接連結去語言版本. " From Google Translate: "2. Taiwanese Wikipedia: The Taiwanese online top encyclopedia was established in 2003, called Holopedia, and joined Wikipedia in 2004. By December 2013, there were already 11,000 foreign entries written in POJ. At the beginning, POJ was written in Chinese characters, which was the result of Zhenji's discussion. The main reason is that if it is written in Chinese characters, the writing method may not be consistent. URL "http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/wiki/". Because it is part of Wikipedia, if the entry you are looking at has other language versions, there is an option on the entry page, which will directly link to the language version."   The doctoral dissertation notes: "(b) Taiwanese Wikipedia: Taiwanese Wikipedia (aka Holopedia), which was established in 2003 and included in Wikipedia in 2004, could also be considered as a POJ corpus. There are more than 4,000 articles so far (Wikimedia Foundation, 2004)."   The article notes: "例如: 中文維基百科全書 http://zh.wikipedia.org/、閩南語維基百科 http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/. 中文維基百科可做線上繁簡體轉換,解決了兩岸華人輸入和閱讀的問題. 除了中文之外，還有使用拼音的閩南語維基百科哦!除了維基百科全書以外， ..." From Google Translate: "For example: Chinese Wikipedia http://zh.wikipedia.org/, Hokkien Wikipedia http://zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org/. Chinese Wikipedia can do online traditional and simplified conversion, which solves the input and reading problems of Chinese on both sides of the strait. In addition to Chinese, there is also a Hokkien Wikipedia that uses pinyin! In addition to Wikipedia, ..." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Southern Min Wikipedia (Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Wikipedia Bân-lâm-gú, ), also known as Holopedia, to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Redirect. No need for a separate article. Athel cb (talk) 12:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Cunard. I can attest that Cunard's translations are correct. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 20:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Previous AFD was Articles for deletion/Articles on individual Wikipedia language editions. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:09, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard above. There are sufficient sources to support an article.  Eluchil404 (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


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