Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Ontario Model United Nations Association


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The result was delete. There is a consensus for deletion, discounting the weight from WP:SPA or possible WP:MEATs editing in this topic area, as is customary.  qedk ( t  愛  c ) 06:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Southern Ontario Model United Nations Association

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Non notable local organisation. WP:BEFORE shows no secondary sources. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 11:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Their website claims that they receive delegates from around Canada/the world, so the "Southern Ontario" in the name might just be a reference to the location. Regardless of whether or not their claims of being a national-level MUN conferences are true, they aren't notable anyways. Chess (talk) (please use&#32; on reply) 18:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

On the other hand, SOMA has received coverage from attending schools (see https://www.greenwoodcollege.org/news-detail?pk=1181757#, which is now a secondary source). Arguably, this makes the organization notable according to Notability. Additionally, "Southern Ontario" refers to the location of the conference but the range of attending schools extends far beyond the region.Helmer Frederik — Helmer Frederik (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Notability requires media coverage written by journalists, not press releases from schools that are directly affiliated with it. Bearcat (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Organizations are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist — they need to show sufficient reliable source coverage in real media to clear WP:ORGDEPTH. But this features literally no non-primary sources at all — a press release on the self-published website of a directly affiliated school is not notability-assisting media coverage at all, yet that's the only source here that the organization didn't produce itself — and claims nothing about the organization that would be "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to show significantly better sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearcat. Individual Model United Nations organizations are not inherently notable, and this one is sourced mostly to its own website. We've deleted a number of articles about other Model UN organizations before -- see User:Metropolitan90 -- apparently including this very same one, fourteen years ago. See Articles for deletion/Southern Ontario Model United Nations Assembly. (Although this article's title says "Association", the body of the article and the organization's website say "Assembly".) The current article is longer than the 2006 one that was deleted, but not much better sourced. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Save. This is a prominent local organization that has been patroned by Chrystia Freeland (https://twitter.com/cafreeland/status/995693081491058693?lang=en) among others. Additionally, Greenwood is unaffiliated with the conference, and several other schools (https://www.hcdsb.org/News/Pages/JV-Student-Attends-SOMA-Conference-at-UofT!.aspx, http://www.hpedsb.on.ca/archives/students-attend-the-38th-southern-ontario-model-united-nations-conference/, https://rchs.on.ca/lively-debate-at-model-united-nations/, inter alia) have also written about the conference.110thMP (talk) 21:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC) — 110thMP (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * 110thMP Twitter usually isn’t considered a reliable source, nor are blogs from schools taking part in the event. Do you know of any independent sources such as published books or newspapers? Cardiffbear88 (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The notability test for an organization is not passed just because of who is or isn't a patron of it. The notability test for an organization is the amount of journalist-written coverage it does or doesn't have about it in real media, and cannot be passed by any amount of Twitter tweets or press releases from schools directly affiliated with it — if you can't show sources on the order of the Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail or the CBC, then the organization does not pass our requirements. Bearcat (talk) 00:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Save per User:110thMP and User:Helmer Frederik. While it is true that Model UN conferences are not inherently notable, the secondary sources/coverage from unaffiliated organizations (see references at Southern Ontario Model United Nations Association) and notable patrons/participants do more than clear the bar for notability. User: Grune Er'Grune —Preceding undated comment added 21:33, 13 May 2020 (UTC)  — Grune Er'Grune (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Can you please show me which sources you feel indicate notability? All I’m seeing is blogs from participating schools and lots of primary sources. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As noted more than once above: notability requires media coverage in the likes of the Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail or the CBC, not twitter tweets or the self-published blogs of participating schools. Bearcat (talk) 00:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Save. User:Grune Er'Grune may have been referring to the following media article in the references of Southern Ontario Model United Nations Association: https://www.corporateknights.com/magazines/2017-better-world-mba-issue/meet-2017-top-30-30-sustainability-15081324/ where the conference and a key staff member from a few years ago is covered. Also, while tweets in themselves aren't notable, those from notable individuals shouldn't be thrown away entirely either. User: Helmer Frederik —Preceding undated comment added 01:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article mentions the organisation once, as part of a biography. This is not in-depth coverage. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 06:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment for closing admin - User: Helmer Frederik, Grune Er'Grune and 110thMP appear to have all created their accounts in recent days specifically to respond to this AfD. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails basic WP:GNG and WP:CLUB- there just isn't in-depth coverage. Model United Nations organizations with hundreds of attendees are a dime a dozen. User:Metropolitan90 is very telling. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the sourcing in the article, or identified in the discussion above, reaches NCORP levels. I thought about closing this as delete, but felt a strong opinion forming so decided to vote instead to confirm the already-existing consensus - further relists aren't going to change the fact that the sources aren't adequate. Girth Summit  (blether)  18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC) For the avoidance of doubt, my previous comment should not be read as a criticism of the original relist - I just don't think further relists would be helpful.  Girth Summit  (blether)  18:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


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