Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Pacific 5623


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Niles Canyon Railway. ✗ plicit  23:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Southern Pacific 5623

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Non-notable individual locomotive. Thousands of GP9s were built and many still operate today. And either way, there's no significant coverage available to justify a standalone article on this individual locomotive. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and California. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:50, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Niles Canyon Railway. Nothing here that indicates notability. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Pi.1415926535. One of many EMD GP9s. Mackensen (talk) 11:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 21:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nomination fails to recognize this as one of very few preserved locomotives, which is a manageable, finite set which can be, and is being, listed. See List of preserved locomotives in the United States, which is organized by geography, ie by state then city. That list, developed as one result of a mind-boggling AFD about List of locomotives last July, less than a year ago, is fairly complete with respect to locos in various museums and in operation (or in storage) on a number of heritage railways, but is incomplete on Niles Canyon Railway. I just added a row for it. It would be great if trains fans participating in this AFD would help build out the Niles Canyon Railway coverage. Some (I haven't checked whom) argued back then that it would be impossible to create a good list of locomotives organized by location, but voila, it has been done.


 * Anyhow, no one is trying to list all the locomotives that have ever existed, as the nomination poses. This is one of few surviving historical artifacts of this specific type which have been placed in museums (counting heritage railways as such), in effect. Significant investment has been made in preserving it. And, the general argument that there cannot be articles about all locomotives is irrelevant: there is a sourced, valid article about this one. And it is part of an organized documentation system: the list and linked articles.


 * So there is simply no way that this article should be outright deleted, and this item should not be at AFD. Should it be merged, would a proper merge discussion (which allows more time for interested, informed editors to find their way to discussion and to deliberate collaboratively) end up judging it should be merged? I think not: the article has more valid information (including relatively large-sized photo(s) than can comfortably fit into the list of preserved locomotives. And the list of equipment within the Niles Canyon article, to which some want this redirected, is inadequate. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 06:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is sourced to the museum's own website and a self-published railfan site on trainweb. Do you have any actual sources to show notability, or are you just here to complain about an AfD from a year ago? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Niles Canyon Railway per WP:ATD and WP:CHEAP, as no independent SIGCOV found. A redirect will preserve the history of the article and will optionally allow editors to put a few details about the engine in a new comments section of the table. gidonb (talk) 02:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Niles Canyon Railway as cannot find any evidence of any notability. – Davey 2010 Talk 16:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. The locomotive is mentioned on 4 pages of this book including a captioned photograph on page 71 and a mention of its appearance at Railfair 99. It features in the Historic Southern Pacific and the Greater Bay DVD here 5th still shot down. (Haven't seen the DVD so not sure whether it amounts to significant coverage.) The loco has a scale model Athearn Genesis #G62540 Southern Pacific GP9 #5623 HO scale. Thought it would be featured in a classic locomotive preservation magazine but haven't found anything. Rupples (talk) 02:42, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


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