Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Stars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Sahara Elite League. Courcelles 16:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Southern Stars

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Non-notable former cricket clubs, all of which lack widespread coverage from reliable sources so fails WP:GNG. These teams all played just nine matches each in 2008, none of which were notable. Fails WP:CLUB and WP:CRIN criteria, as well as elements of WP:V. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 09:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not satisfied with the criteria used to define notability in the case of Southern Stars and several other Kenyan franchises and clubs who's wikipedia articles have recently been deleted. Basically unless they are featuring as guests in a full members in a competition held in a full member (which is hardly ever the case) there is no way a club or franchise based outside a full member of the ICC can make notabililty. See also my comments on the talk page of this deletion page. Kimemia Maina (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I can agree with Kimemia that this and other similar articles are being deleted on criteria which state that the subject is inherently non-notable. Recently many articles on Kenyan cricket have been deleted, no matter how important the subject is. Lots of bad faith and regional bias have taken place to make that happen. As I've been very busy recently, I haven't had time to contest these deletions. Kenyan cricket may not be of test cricket level, but in the end our national team has regularly competed in the Criket Word Cup. The game also receives noticeable amount of media coverage on Kenyan media. I'm particularly unhappy with the deletion of articles on Kenyan cricket clubs. If Sammarinese football clubs are considered notable enough to justify their inclusion in Wikipedia, how on earth Kenyan cricket clubs which produce World Club players are not as notable? Julius Sahara (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

as a direct response to that last comment yes, if Kabul Cricket Club is responsible for x number of players that featured for Afghanistan at a major world event then they do merit at least a stub level article saying who they where and where they play lest fork otherwise assume they fell from the sky. Kimemia Maina (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC) 
 * Comment. This does not fail (or pass) WP:CRIN, because there is no criterion there by which to judge clubs outside England and Australia, just a note that "it is necessary to take an individual view about each country in terms of its own grassroots structure". Phil Bridger (talk) 19:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - addressed that Phil, WP:CRIN rationale removed from AfD. I think we should solely concentrate on the league and not the clubs that play in this case.  The Sahara Elite League I have no problem with, yes while it was for a sole season the top league in Kenya, do the clubs really merit inclusion?  Putting aside that they were around for just one season and played just nine matches, they also included national players - does this itself make the teams notable?  I don't think so.  Where the notability of a club/team is weak, then the top league they played in should be the sole mention (aside from on relevant articles linking back).  As for the recent deletion of Kenyan club articles, those were without a doubt non-notable.  Kenya Kongonis Cricket Club.... please.  Afghanistan played at the 2010 T20 World Cup - doesn't mean Kabul Province cricket team is notable. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 21:12, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Nope, because significant coverage doesn't exist, just as significant coverage doesn't exist for the teams nominated here. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 20:39, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding to recently deleted Kongonis article, the club has been subject to live coverage by Pan-African TV channel Supersport, and their games are regularly reported by major Kenyan and Ugandan newspapers such as Daily Nation ,, The Standard, , , New Vision , , and Daily Monitor , , . What else is needed to make its media coverage significant??? Julius Sahara (talk)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

 I hereby propose that the deletion of Swamibapa Sports Club and constant re-deletion of Kenya Kongonis pages also be linked to the outcome of this discussion. Both were summarily deleted on the very shaky ground being used as justification for the deletion of the pages listed in this deletion discussion. Never mind that unlike even the fact that these teams are very much still active. Kimemia Maina (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: Northern Nomads, Eastern Aces and Western Chiefs were not tagged for AfD. They are tagged now. • Gene93k (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge – I'd propose merging each of the four articles listed at the top, along with National Elite League Twenty20, into the parent article Sahara Elite League. Swamibapa Sports Club and Kenya Kongonis are seperate to this discussion, and should be discussed elsewhere.  Harrias  talk 10:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The merge idea sounds good to me. The reasons I proposed including the Swamibapa and kongonis deletions in this discussion is because they were done on the same reasoning despite both being sunject to the same level of coverage as those teams already in this page.Kimemia Maina (talk) 05:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge is a good approach. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I fully support a merge. Given a lack of coverage and notability for stand alone articles, redirecting them to the main Sahara Elite League article would be fine. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 15:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.