Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern rap


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was - kept

Southern rap
This article should be merged into Dirty South. Southern rap is definately the more mature article, in fact it can probably take the place of whats currently in dirty south. But I don't think the article should be about the history of rap produced out of the region of the American south, as the title would suggest. In fact the article as it stands is almost exclusively about Dirty south, a distinct subgenre of rap. People I'm sure would always be searching for it by the name Dirty South, that is how the sub genre is almost universally known. There shouldn't be an article about the history of rap in the south in general, because either they are doing rap in the dirty south style, or they are doing rap in a style similar if not identicle to whats played on the radio (in other words there is no reason to organize an article based on that type of geographical region besides the article on dirty south). In addition, we don't have articles on regions which can aruably have a local rap scene with its own distinct rap style, such as possibly the northern california scene).
 * Above was posted by 67.180.61.179
 * Keep. You can see from the rap template at the end of Southern rap that East Coast hip hop and West Coast hip hop both have legitimate articles too, and this is all obviously a sensible and well-accepted part of an ambitious collective namespace related to rap. Note that it's linked from U.S. Southern wikipedians' notice board/USSCOTW (where a collaboration was proposed on No Limit, a Southern rap music label, at that; the existence of Southern rap is taken well enough for granted), and WikiProject Music genres and many germane articles. Samaritan 07:38, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. If southern rap and Dirty South are merged, then they should be at southern rap (or southern hip hop), not Dirty South. Tim Ivorson 13:59, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Extreme Keep. Yet another perfect example of why VfD is a convoluted and broken process which will break the back of Wikipedia. &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 15:28, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep -- surely, the fact this is a unanimous keep means that VfD is a convoluted but non-broken proces -- GWO 16:50, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment: I disagree. The fact we're all standing around here in a circle jerk voting keep over an anonymously listed article proves what a waste of time this endeavor was and that there is definite need for the bar to be raised in order to nominate something to be listed for deletion.  This is proof-positive that the entire VfD system is indeed polluted and broken. &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 19:36, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. --[[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:56, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep DCEdwards1966 20:03, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, it's well-done and has potential for even more expansion. I am confused though, when I hear someone talk about "southern rap," I think of Big & Rich. :-) Inky 20:13, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep I could be wrong, but I believe Dirty South is a specific style of music, i.e. early Outkast, Goodie Mob and the like.  Southern rap includes that as well as later Outkast, No Limit and New Orleans hip hop, Nelly and St. Louis hip hop, and maybe even Miami bass. They're just not the same thing, any more than G Funk and West Coast hip hop are the same. Tuf-Kat 06:36, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. -Sean Curtin 22:26, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * Rename to Southern Hip Hop, to reflect the difference between the bassheavy funkadelic music of Southern Hip Hop, and the cuss-laden raw lyrics of Dirty South. It seems to me that Southern Hip Hop is a more common name for the genre anyway. Make Southern rap into an "umbrella article" explaining the difference and the connection between the two. --Regebro 21:55, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.