Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southernization


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The result was   keep and move to Southernization (US). I would recommend that the redirect resulting from the move be changed to a disambig if other targets can be found (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Southernization

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Although an important topic, it would probably be better to cover the Republican and Democratic Party aspects in 2 separate articles. A Google search gives 10,000 hits for "Southernization", however many of them talk about a new global cultural trend which is said to follow "Westernization", not the USA political trends covered in this article. Steve Dufour (talk) 06:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If kept, rename to Southernization (US) per nom's reasoning. 76.66.195.63 (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect, with possible merger of portions, to Southern strategy, an article which is unambiguously about US politics. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect per Smerdis. Any unique informaton belongs over at Southern strategy. B figura  (talk) 23:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect and create a disambig. page? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Southern Strategy; alternatively, delete this synthesized work as a neologism. Majoreditor (talk) 05:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * keep+rename. I've had a look at Southern Strategy and IMO Southernization is not the same, as it includes other types of increasing Southern influence in US politics, e.g. Clinton+Gore and Obama. OTOH Googling for "Southernization" got me hits relating to several phenomena labelled "southernization": politics of the USA (e.g. Southernization of the Nation and Nationalization of the South: Racial Conservatism, Social Welfare and White Partisans in the United States, 1956–92,2001, British Journal of Political Science vol 31 pp 277-301; The Southernization of the White Working Class?, originally published in San Diego Union-Tribune on October 1 2008; book The Americanization of Dixie: The Southernization of America by John Egerton, reviewed in The Journal of Southern History, Vol. 40, No. 4  (Nov., 1974), pp. 641-642); popular culture in the USA (From Muskogee to Luckenbach: Country Music and the 'Southernization' of America); the process by which the 19th cent economies of N & S USA diverged ("Southernization: the road not taken" in Historical Perspectives on the American Economy, CUP, 1995); most were about a cultural process in SE Asia and India beginning about 500 AD (e.g. Southernization, Journal of World History, Vol. 5, No. 1). In short there is a surplus of notable topics labelled "Southernization".I suggest Southernization should be renamed Southernization of politics in the USA, so that there's room for an article on Southernization of Asia in first millenium AD and a disambig page when the time comes. The journal article "Southernization of the Nation and Nationalization of the South is enough to establish notability, and probably contains citations of other relevant academic publications. I could probably find enough material myself to write a half-decent article on Southernization of politics in the USA (proposed new title for the current Southernization), but I'm a Brit and I'm sure US editors would handle the nuances much better. --Philcha (talk) 13:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep + Rename as above - "Southernization of politics (US)". This is more than "Southern strategy", as it involves influence of changing demographics and population movement to the South (or should) as well as culture.  Even though some commentators see the apogee of influence in the 1990s, it deserves coverage.  I disagree about separate coverage for Republican and Democratic parties, as both have to be covered comparatively in one place to see the impacts.--Parkwells (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Sandstein   20:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename per the reasoning of Philcha and Parkwells above. I agree that the Southern Strategy is not the same as Southernization. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 00:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and change the name as indicated. Clearly a separate an notable and general topic. DGG (talk) 21:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.