Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southernmost point in the continental United States


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The result was merge to Key West, Florida and redirect..  Citi Cat   ♫ 01:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Southernmost point in the continental United States

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This page is probably the most confusing page I've ever read in my life. The page describes a "southernmost point" that actually turns out not to be the southernmost point! There are no other pages like this, and if the whole point of this page is to describe a fictitious southernmost point, then it should not exist. Jared  (t)  &ensp; 23:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your confusion probably comes from the fact that this page has been repeatedly edit warred through out its history. It originally started out like this, then this was added later , and then this was added for good measure .  I had no idea that this was such a big deal, but apparently it is.  But to the point, all the pertinent information about this is already listed in Extreme points of the United States, with Ballast Key and its reef bars listed as the southernmost point, so this page is moot. Delete (see below) - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 23:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete The Key West article has a small paragraph that easily sums up the entire page. A whole page on a buoy with an inaccurate claim is needless when it can be summed up in a few sentances. Ageofe 23:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Merge into Ballast Key, which is the southernmost point in the continental U.S. as listed in Extreme points of the United States. Nice article, but like all other extreme points, needs to be listed by name of the place rather than by "....ernmost point".  Redirect is the perfect answer, however, for persons doing a search.  Mandsford 01:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete & Redirect per user:Ageofe Corpx 06:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep it is a highly notable tourist attraction, visited by hundreds of people daily. Whether or not it's real is irrelevant.  It's a very notable attraction.  -  Marc Averette 14:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, first and foremost, this article as it stands doesn't actually discuss the buoy itself. It may have started that way, but it has digressed into back and forth about the definition of "continental" and down to the meter commentary on where the southernmost spot really is.  That information has been covered elsewhere.  Now, that said, the buoy itself might be a popular stop by tourists on Key West.  But is it notable on its own, or does it inherit whatever notability it may have from Key West?  Thats the difference between people traveling specifically to see this attraction, rather then people traveling to Key West and happening to visit the buoy as they tour the island.  If this landmark has notability on its own, and reliable sources can prove that, then this article may have legs yet. But massive changes will have to happen to the article, any discussion about the actual southernmost spot will have to be dropped, and the article will have to concentrate specifically on the buoy (history, etc) - all backed by lots of reliable sources.  But as it stands now, there is nothing in this article that cannot happily live in Extreme points of the United States and Key West, Florida. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 19:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It does now. I've added a history section  -  Marc Averette 20:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Good, I'm happy with the way this is going. I'm confident that a page about the buoy can stand up under scrutiny.  Still needs some work, but change me to a Keep.  Only one additional question remains - what is the actual name of the landmark?  Is it really "Southernmost point in the continental United States"?  Can we rename this article to be something like Southernmost point in the continental United States (landmark) to avoid discussion about the actual southernmost point creeping back in? - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 21:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - An encyclopedic geographical topic (even so that the geography is incorrect) and a heavily visited tourist attraction in south Florida. There's too much topic specific information in the article to merge. --Oakshade 22:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Key West, Florida. Peterkingiron 22:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - the Key West, Florida article already has the information; this article is redundant. --Storm Rider (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Merge Per the information already existing. Unless there is coverage of this specific concept, then it has no need for a seperate article. i said 06:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete maybe a few lines in Key West and United States of America-- it's not worth all this verbiage. Mangoe 20:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Move per Mandsford Computerjoe 's talk 20:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - any relevant information can be rescued and added to other articles as suggested above. Frankly, the sources are too thin - one is a blatant advert and another doesn't support what it is citing. Most of the key content is unsourced. Insufficiently notable. TerriersFan 01:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - It is well-known tourist destination. Mark in Historic Triangle 03:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom and TerriersFan Harlowraman 16:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Key West, or Delete altogether.  J- stan  Talk Contribs 01:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


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