Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southwark Street


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The result was   keep. WP:SNOW  MBisanz  talk 05:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Southwark Street

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Seemingly non notable London street, mostly listing what is on the street. The history section doesn't really (in my opinion) establish any notability. If it was the first road with such features, it may be notable, but as it is just one of the first, I don't feel this is enough. Jenuk1985 |  Talk  02:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Just about every street in central London is notable, but that there's even a discussion about one of the major central thoroughfares, arguably the primary Southwark one, that connects Blackfriars Bridge and Southwark Bridge is surprising. It took only a few seconds to find g-book in-depth sources.   --Oakshade (talk) 05:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please justify the phrase "Just about every street in central London is notable"? Is there any central discussion on this, has any consensus been reached? Also read WP:NOTINHERITED Jenuk1985  |  Talk  06:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For a city as old and historic as London, there are going to be sources on every street; historic, governmental or otherwise. Even without a "central discussion" I've never seen an existing London street deleted although it's been tried many times.  That non-policy or guideline WP:NOTINHERITED comes from that nightmarish self-contradictory WP:AADD essay that's oft incorrectly applied to topics.  The clause pertains to topics that do not pass our guidelines - ie, not the subject of secondary sources - which of course does not apply to this topic. --Oakshade (talk) 06:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * London street articles have been deleted in the past Articles for deletion/Crosby Street. I could expand your "For a city as old and historic as London, there are going to be sources on every street; historic, governmental or otherwise." comment by pointing out the same could be said for the majority of names streets in the country. The line has to be drawn somewhere. No sources apart from the second one you linked imply any form of notability except for showing that it exists. On its own I don't feel it justifies the articles existence, similar to my previous point, plans, schemes and ideas will always be available for most streets. Jenuk1985  |  Talk  07:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Crosby Street was a former street. I said "existing", not non-existing (although I did not agree with consensus on that one). Your opinion that the Old and New London source, which goes into explicit multi-paragraphed detail of this street, as not being an in-depth secondary source about this street is noted but not based on reality. --Oakshade (talk) 07:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. This is a major street in Southwark, central London, with references and history establishing notability. I concur with Oakshade above. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 10:01, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note nominator also nominated: Articles for deletion/Union Street, London Articles for deletion/Marshalsea Road for deletion also. Ikip (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD was mentioned on WikiProject London Ikip (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Notable street, per Bowen and Oakshade. Ikip (talk) 01:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Since the Prod, there has been a decent enough improvement to keep. Well referenced enough, IMO. NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 07:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - All historic London streets are notable. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


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