Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sovereign Principality of Zargaristan


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The result was   delete. JohnCD (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Sovereign Principality of Zargaristan

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Quick Google search turns up nothing but blogs and social networking sites on the first page of results. I'm basically seeing nothing notable about this principality. I foresee controversy with this, and thusly I am bringing this here to AFD. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 06:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)  Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 06:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot find anything to confirm the supposed history here, either, under any suggested spelling. I contrast this with the ease with which I found .  Needless to say, the article itself cites not a single history book in support of this or indeed anything else.  This is wholly unverifiable as far as I can determine, and &mdash; given the unencyclopaedic self-promotion in other articles by  (q.v.) &mdash; very probably a hoax entry attempting to give legitimacy to a micronation and (see the other edits) promote someone's career.  Uncle G (talk) 08:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable at best, hoax at worst. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Central Asia-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I suspect this was created as the fictional history of a (non-notable) micronation, but outright hoax is equally plausible.  In any case, the content of this article is less "unverifiable" and more "patently false".  For a sovereign nation to exist from 800 to 1926 without having a presence in atlases, encyclopedias, or histories of the region is ludicrous.  That is doubly true for a nation that purportedly began as a Jewish and Romani refuge!  Furthermore, it is unlikely that the actions of Abu Muslim Khorasani could have caused anything around 800, as he was assassinated in 755.  And it is impossible that "[t]he Zargaris of today" are known for their "Gold and Silver" embroidery on the "cloth that hangs around the Ka'aba" because of two critical reasons: first, the embroidery on the kiswah is done entirely in gold thread, not gold and silver; second, and more importantly, the manufacture and embroidering of the kiswah has a very definite Zargistan-free history -- after the fall of the Caliphate and until 1927, it was made in Egypt, then Saudi Arabia (specifically, since the reign of Ibn Saud, at the Holy Kabah Kiswah factory). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I also suspect a WP:HOAX. The history jumps far too rapdily from the medieval to the modern to feel credible to me.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm now reasonably sure that this article is a hoax. Zargari is a language used by goldsmiths, based on Farsi International Encyclopedia of Linguistics and a term for a Roma people or language .  The author of this article,  has been trying to insert this material into Zargari people and Zargari Romani and has made no other contributions to Wikipedia.  The claimed "Hereditary Sovereign Prince" (or pasha?) of this notional country is, unsurprisingly, supposed to be one "Michael".  Very amusing, well done, now just take it away please.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete First historical mention of Zargari is in late 1800s, and their own traditions have them migrating to Iran in mid-1700s and never representing more than a clan of tradesmen living in a pastoral village. Nothing Jewish about them. No micronation here, just a hoaxster.Agricolae (talk) 12:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, possibly speedy, as blatant hoax. The only references are blogs and Facebook. This seems to be something promoted by the "Sovereign Prince of Zargaristan", one "Michael Zargarov" who is—surprise, surprise!—also the author of this article, User:MichaelPasha. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 21:18, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that it could justifiably be speedied, but I am hesitant to short-circuit an AfD once it has started (unless it was baseless from the start), particularly when the outcome is a foregone conclusion, given that the page fails NOTABILITY, COI, RS, VERIFY, NOTPROMOTION, MADEUP, etc. It is likely to SNOW anyhow. Agricolae (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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