Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sovereignty of God in Christianity


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please consider expanding and cleaning up. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Sovereignty of God in Christianity

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This is a monograph by a user with virtually no other contributions. It reads as a personal reflection or essay, and much of it is synthetic. Its function appears to be to argue, rather than document, a specific theological view. PROD removed by the single purpose account. Guy (help!) 09:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a WP:ESSAY but the topic is notable. I'm tempted to argue for WP:TNT, but deletion is not cleanup. Maybe draftify it? buidhe 09:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd be OK with that but it was already moved out of Draft once. Guy (help!) 23:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The topic is foundational to systematic theology and is discussed by most systematic theologians, but too often in passing, as a premise, rather than as a separate topic. God's sovereignty is a foundational premise in theology proper, biblical theology, harmartiology, soteriology and theological anthropology. Sovereignty is a generally recognized attribute of god in Christian writings. The Holman Bible Dictionary has an excellent article under the entry "Sovereignty of God" which covers material very similar to that covered in this article - basic definition of sovereignty, sovereignty as related to god's role as creator, sovereignty and human freedom, sovereignty and suffering. The article topic has been getting greater recognition in Christianity - John Piper just finished a 600 page book to soon be released on sovereignty and providence. If concerns relate to particular provisions in the article, please advise so that corrections can be made.PTSaputo (talk) 21:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I fully understand the concerns about this. There are a slew of these kinds of Christianity articles written as essays with limited sourcing and limited room for expansion. But as above, deletion is not cleanup. This is actually one of the better ones I have seen, and PTSaputo is correct that the issue is an important point in systematic theology. Yet Wikipedia is not a systematic theology, and the article needs to be rewritten to look more like an encyclopaedia entry. WP:TNT could be the way to go, but deletion is probably not. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , TNT is deletion. But I'm up for moving it back to draft subject to perhaps some input from an appropriate WikiProject Guy (help!) 23:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yes, I was less than clear. What I meant is that basically blanking and rewriting the vast majority of the page may be the way to go, but actually deleting, in my view, is not (because it is very definitely a notable subject in Christian theology). Draftify is a solution, but things get forgotten in draft. I'll see what other arguments are made before modifying my position on that. For now, I am still going with keep. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ETA: Please also look at Attributes of God in Christianity. A merger is possible, but I don’t think it is called for. For instance there are articles on Divine providence and Immanence among others. — Sirfurboy (talk) 09:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Sirfurboy (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per the arguments above; just tag it with multiple issues for improvement and list it at WP:WikiProject Christianity as needing work. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is a clearly notable topic as explained above and in the references used but it needs work to remove synth and opinion which is more likely to be carried out in mainspace, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I assumed WP would already have an article Sovereignty of God but that turns out to be a redirect to a short paragraph in Attributes of God in Christianity. I have just edited that article to make this one a "main" article for it.  This is concerned with a significant issue in Christian theology.  The article is written from a Protestant POV, but I doubt the Catholic or Orthodox view would be significantly different, though no doubt both would tend to cite other theologians.  If there is a defect in that respect the cure is to edit it adding additional sources and view points, not to delete it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


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