Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space Jockey (Alien)


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 03:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Space Jockey (Alien)

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This seems to go too deep into the fictional world D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  02:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: While I'm not sure about the nom's rationale, I think the basic problem here is a lack of coverage in secondary sources. The creature's only significant appearance is in the film Alien, and all the relevant info about its design, creation, role in the story, and impact is already found there (as the major contributor to that article, I can attest to this). I've had this article marked for merging and/or cleanup for a couple of years but nothing's come of it, likely because there's not much to say about the thing other than what's already said in the film article. The misleading argument for stand-alone articles on fictional characters/creatures is usually that they "appear" in multiple works, but this doesn't necessarily equal cultural impact nor guarantee that there will be enough secondary source coverage to draw from to write a decent encyclopedia article. Besides, this creature's "appearances" are limited to a single role in a graphic novel and as a background prop in a couple of frachise computer games. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete: Not enough coverage in reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. The character is already mentioned in parent articles. Mattg82 (talk) 01:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Alien characters. 65.95.13.158 (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing to merge as it isn't a character really. It's just a corpse they come across, little more than a prop. It has no active role in the story. The list article is a huge WP:PLOT fail anyway, consisting of 99.9% character-specific plot summaries. The characters' roles are already explained in the plot summaries of the individual film articles, where the Space Jockey's role in the story (as well as its real-world info re: creation, design, construction) is explained in full. No sense adding yet more plot regurgitation to an already overly plotty list. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A corpse can be a character, the non-verbal facehuggers are characters, as is the adult xenomorph, which also has no dialogue. People are even credited as being corpses in credits of some films. 65.94.232.153 (talk) 07:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are creatures, not characters. That's like saying that the triceratops in Jurassic Park is a character, or the half-dozen unidentified mummified corpses in Alien vs. Predator. The Space Jockey is just a set piece, a prop...it has no active role in the story and isn't played by any actor. It's literally a set piece made of plaster & paint. --IllaZilla (talk) 09:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete despite the friendly suggestion of an IP address... this topic has no reliable sources to WP:verify notability. It's basically an empty concept. Nothing to write about that isn't just a plot recap. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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