Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spartan Mambo


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The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Spartan Mambo

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Spartan Mambo is a college organization and it doesn't meet the general notability guideline--sources are exclusively connected to the source, and not reliable, third-party sources.

Creator of the article (Salsakesh) may have an undeclared COI. ColonelHenry (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * - Spartan Mambo is indeed a college organization, but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion of notability, as there are many college organizations that are considered notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Spartan Mambo was the winner of one of the divisions at the 2013 World Latin Dance Cup which is the largest salsa competition in the world, seen by over 100,000 people. References include sources such as the official University website and the official website for the World Latin Dance Cup, which are credible 3rd party sources about the team. The point about COI is well taken, but I do believe the organization is notable enough to hold its own Wikipedia entry. Salsakesh (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * respectfully disagree, but the AfD process has started, it will sort out the wheat from the chaff. I happen to think this chaff.--ColonelHenry (talk) 01:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I've updated the entry to also include that Spartan Mambo is the first college salsa team to ever win a World title Salsakesh (talk) 01:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I've got to say, that's the bit I least understand. The group, "are the first college salsa team in the world to win a World salsa title" but were competing in a "Collegiate Teams division"? Either it's the first year they included a collegiate teams division and they won or they won the collegiate teams division which has previously been won by... other collegiate teams, thus making them not the first college team to win. What am I missing? Stalwart 111  01:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was the first year that they included a college division at the World Championships, making Spartan Mambo the first college team to win, which is notable in the same way that it's notable that the first ever Women's hockey team to win an Olympic gold was the US in 1998, when Women's hockey first became an Olympic sport. It was a historic moment for competitive salsa dancing at the largest salsa competition in the world. Salsakesh (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, that makes sense - thanks for clarifying. I don't necessarily agree with equating a win at an international dance competition with winning gold at the Olympics, especially for a women's team in the late-90s when equality for women in sport was an international commercial and social issue! But I get where you're coming from and we'll chalk that up to your enthusiasm for dance! Stalwart 111  02:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Regardless of the above, the coverage isn't strong enough to meet WP:ORGDEPTH which is the standard this should be judged by. Very little (if any) of the coverage is independent of the subject and a university site about a university team at that same university isn't a "credible 3rd party source" in my view. Stalwart 111  01:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The World Latin Dance Cup is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia, and this is a team that won one of the divisions in the competition. The competition did not receive much mainstream news coverage, but was seen by over 100,000 people around the world, and was a big deal in the competitive salsa scene. Salsakesh (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the group doesn't inherit notability and you can be notable for winning competitions/awards that themselves aren't notable enough for inclusion. Unfortunately, the key here is mainstream coverage because Wikipedia doesn't generally cover things of niche notability. I don't think the "competitive salsa scene" is going be to considered significant enough so that notability in that community would equate to notability in the wider community. But a good start would be coverage from outside the small geographical area in which the group is based - coverage from people other than those connected to the group. International dance magazines, wider reviews of the competition that include specific mention of the subject, even state or national media coverage (given they won an international event and so technically represented their state/nation) would be a good start. Stalwart 111  02:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Aside from the self-sourcing, blogs, and press releases currently in the article, Newsbank shows only one article, and that's from examiner.com, which is the very platonic ideal of a non-reliable source. This group isn't even mentioned in the Mercury News, let alone more widely seen sources.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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