Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Special Operations units of the United Kingdom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Special Operations units of the United Kingdom
Article is a list of organisations with no foundation in British Military philosophy. Detailed objections to the content, which will result in the deletion of the majority, if not all of the article content:


 * There is no clear indication of what is meant by Special Operations. The Joint Doctrine of the UK Armed Forces as developed by the Joint Doctrine and Concepts Centre does not include this, the division being  Special Forces and Regular forces.


 * The UKSF Reserve logo is inappropriate, since the UKSF are dealt with in that article.


 * The first main section covers SF, which are dealt with in the UKSF article and should accordingly be removed.


 * Brigade Patrol Troop is dealt with elsewhere, as is FPGRM. It should be clear from the FPGRM that their role is protection of the Nuclear estate, this is not an SF role.  BPT patrol beyond the Forward Edge of Battle Area, this is a conventional activity in the strategic and tactical doctrine of the UK.


 * Mountain & Arctic Warfare Cadre no longer exists and in any case was a training organisation. Mountain and Arctic warfare is not an SF role, but rather one of the prime roles of 3 Commando Brigade.


 * Pathfinder Platoon is a Parachute Regiment unit, part of 16 Air Assault Brigade, a regular army formation.


 * 8 Flight AAC is an element of the Special Forces Air Wing and therefore dealt with under the SF article.


 * 148 Battery is an element of 29 Regt Royal Artillery, a Commando trained element of 3 Commando Brigade


 * The section on Reserve Special Operations units refers to only one unit that is not handled under the SF article eg the HAC. 21 Regt and 23 Regt SAS, 63(V) Sqn R.Sigs a component of 18(SF) Sigs Regt and the SBS Reserve are all discussed in the SF article.  HAC is an ISTAR asset which operates in beyond the Forward Edge of Battle Area, That is a regular army role and is fulfilled by other 'Green Army' Artillery units as well.


 * The elite units section does not justify why these units should be considered in a Special Operations context, accepting that at this time SOF remains undefined.


 * With reference to support units. 18 Sigs Regt is an element of UKSF and discussed in that article.  The remaining units are elements of 3 Commando Brigade and discussed in that article.


 * The section Former Special Forces could be discussed under the SF article, not in a specious article. Notwithstanding that, Commachio Group was a precursor to FPGRM, its role was protection of the Nuclear estate.  British Commandos were a Commando force and discussed under that article.  Whether 95th Foot, as an early proponent of the skirmishing approach to infantry tactics could be considered as Special Forces or not is an interesting debate, I would tend to disagree but this is not the place for that discussion.  14 Int Coy could be considered as an SF unit, not a SOF unit.

This is subject of an attempted mediation, discussed here however the initial complainant has made no effort to actually engage in the mediation. Once the vairous points above have been addressed the article is virtually content free and non notable.

ALR 17:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OR as "Special Operations" is not defined in the context of the UK military. -- Koffieyahoo 01:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. I've looked throught the edit history, talk page and MadCab case, and I don't think there is anything to salvage here. Consider turning this article into a redirect to UKSF, to help our american readers find that page. WegianWarrior 04:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. I have added anything remotely relevant to United Kingdom Special Forces: not because I consider them to be "Special Operations Forces" but because a casual reader may be looking for the likes of Pathfinder Platoon and stumble to the UKSF article.  Yorkshire Phoenix (talk • contribs) 08:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Collateral merged into UKSF, making the article redundant. Torinir  ( Ding my phone  My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 18:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into UKSF. Addhoc 13:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.