Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Speedminton


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Redirect to Speed Badminton -Greg Asche (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Speedminton
This looks like an advert for a commercial product. Although there are Google refs for Speedminton, a lot of them go to www.Speedminton.xx (various domains) and I can't see much evidence of widespread playing. As ever, I reserve the right to be completely wrong. That's why we have votes. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 23:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes it does look a bit self-promotional. I'm not sure. This could be one of those things that takes off, or dies away completely. I'll vote delete, but I'd almost want to put this on a "wait and see" list. &mdash; RJH 16:30, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * For the avoidance of doubt, I vote delete and bring it back when the IOC recognises it :-) - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 17:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten and renamed. Leave the redirect. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 21:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

A lot of german newspapers and magazine have talked about Speedminton and presented it as a new sport, not a mere commercial product. According to the german news agency Deutsche Welle : "Played until recently, [...] the game has now made its breakthrough as an official sport." "There are around 6,000 active Speedminton players in Germany." ( http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,951494,00.html)
 * I disagree :

According to some sources, there would be 80 000 occasional players in germany. The equipment is similar to other sports equipment (rackets similar to squash rackets) and is sold in sport shops. Speedminton is played in Badminton Clubs. --145.226.1.30 14:17, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

=> Speedminton and Blackminton are commercial names. => As far as I know, Speedminton GmbH is the only company in the world which sells the Speedminton equipment. => You can't play Blackminton without buying special equipment from Speedminton GmbH. Cons : => If you refer to articles in newspapers, rules, equipment, players (who are sportsmen), etc... it is a real sport. => There are other articles about unrecognized sports (for instance : DDC Frisbee) or even commercial products (Rubik's Cube) in Wikipedia => You can play without buying the equipment from Speedminton GmbH : Speedminton can be played with squash rackets and a conventional shuttlecock. => Speedminton is a german sport. German wikipedians are certainly the best informed to know if an article about Speedminton is a commercial self-promotion or a serious article. And the german article about Speedminton in Wikipedia.de is online since 1 July 2004... I propose to remove any reference to the name "Speedminton" (the official name of the sport is "Speed Badminton") and to the company Speedminton GmbH. (Therefore, the article must be renamed "Speed Badminton"). --Jeremie 17:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Pro deletion :

I changed the article. I removed any reference or link to the company Speedminton GmbH. The article is also more precise about the importance of this sport in and outside Germany. I added a link to a german speed badminton association. I didn't removed completely the word "speedminton", because the sport is more well-known under this name, but I put a ® to emphasize the fact that it is a registred trademark. --Jeremie 20:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


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