Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spiritual marriage

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:52, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Spiritual marriage
Hoax. famous german proverb by an 18th century philosopher, "kcuf snaibsel hctaw," which is translated as the passion of God. 'nuff said. Rl 20:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Read the "proverb" backwards. EvilPhoenix
 * Keep and Stubify or Cleanup based on the content of the current article. There's clearly an encyclopedia article to be had there.  For example, here is a reference from googling this phrase:  Spiritual Marriage: Sexual Abstinence in Medieval Wedlock by Elliot, D., published by Princeton University Press--Unfocused 20:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as nonsense: try reading the name of that supposed 18th-century philosopher backward... Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd 20:57, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * strong keep (as now cleaned up) this idea has a long history in early Christian and gnostic groups and - and even before that. (I don't know that limiting the discussion to Catholicism is particularly appropriate)--Doc Glasgow 21:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC) On reflection, although this merits an article - this isn't at all a good start - total rewrite or delete--Doc Glasgow 21:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Before it was a hoax, now it's just POV. Jayjg (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. It isn't point of view, it's a church doctrine.  I know because I was raised Catholic, in a Catholic school, with years of Catholic religion classes.  It was taught extensively.  I don't intend to further expand this article because that's a part of my own life I've decided to leave behind, and I have no interest in researching and documenting this further.  Given that this was subject of a vandalistic start, I see why it was nominated, but I think I've done the basic research to show that the topic itself clearly belongs.  Valid Wikipedia topics should not be stained by the juvenile behavior of early editors.  --Unfocused 23:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems this is something. Isn't the term also used when a nun, by taking her vows, becomes the bride of Christ? Eixo 23:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Yes, this is true.  The church itself and every nun are considered to be "Brides of Christ" in spiritual marriage.  Funny how there aren't any husbands...  ;)  --Unfocused 23:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but requires sources. Kappa 23:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. good cleanup. Mikkalai 00:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep reasonable stub (welldone to those people who cleaned it up) on notable religious topic. Capitalistroadster 02:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - ah, the magic of Wikipedia. -- BD Abram son thi m k 03:52, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
 * Keep if it can be established that a "spiritual marriage" means something more than a marriage that is spiritual (i.e. one that includes being religious). (Googling the phrase mostly gets me results like "Is yours a spiritual marriage?" using the phrase in a way that's no more than the sum of its parts.)
 * Being a doctrine of a religion with over a billion members is more than enough. Example of a more specific search.  Or perhaps since I mentioned Catholic doctrine, you should try here, at the Vatican?   --Unfocused 22:23, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-encyclopedic, orignal research, god-cruft. Gmaxwell 21:37, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and I've added some related "see also..." links. Peter Ellis 02:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


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