Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spirtokouto


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. —Centrx→talk &bull; 02:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Spirtokouto

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Independent Greek film. Article claims it's "award-winning", but doesn't state what the awards are. IMDB listing has very little information. Author has created numerous vanity and nonsense articles. NawlinWiki 16:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Tentative delete. Tagged the notability assertion, hoping for the best, but without at least that citation soon, that assertion goes away. Without it, it's a clear delete. DMacks 17:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment A brief web search turned up the award, which I've added to the article. I have no idea how important this award is. Eludium-q36 22:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Switching to Keep. Seems reasonable on its face, so keepable unless there's evidence the award is meaningless or some other detracting issue. DMacks 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep. I'd like to see it expanded and referenced though. "Cult-film" according to who? Chovain 04:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Changing to Delete per Satori Son (below). The only hits on Google are for film festivals showing this film.  These are not independent references, and are nothing more than advertisements. Chovain 03:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. No non-trivial coverage of subject by multiple, reliable, third-party published sources. -- Satori Son 05:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per Satori Son. --Chondrite 06:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments
A little bit of research goes a long way NawlinWiki. In view of this, your feedback was nonsense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stathis Psaltis (talk • contribs).

Please refer to the link to the Thessaloniki International Film Festival for information on the credibility of this award. Furthermore, your policy on deleting material that you are not familiar with is very discriminatory and limits the beauty of Wiki. My comments on your research, NawlinWiki in particular, are justified considering the intention on deleting this entry without having researched it satisfactorily. I will respond to you with the same level of respect / disrespect that you show me. The world is bigger than what we all will ever know and I suggest you are not so quick to delete articles which have some credibility attached. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stathis Psaltis (talk • contribs) 16:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

How many third party published sources would make you content to maintain this entry? Please clarify as there are thousands of wiki entries with 1 or none third party sources. It has been established that this film is a legitimate film, has won awards domestically at Greece's most prestigious film awards and has been played in foreign cinemas around the world. Please justify your motivation to delete this entry and explain with at least some detail what issues you are having in accepting this article. Stathis Psaltis 00:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stathis Psaltis (talk • contribs).

Also, the reference I provided is not from a press pack. Please check the information. This was easily found on a previous occasion by another editor on the IMDB website. That is a neutral site and is not associated with the film in any manner. As far as further references are concerned, dont be concerned, there are several notable references for this film available on the net. A simple google search can show you this. All references provide a very similar short summary of the film. For example;

http://imdb.com/title/tt0382988/

http://boutique.info-grece.com/product_info.php/cPath/3_146/products_id/5060

www.mooviees.com/34666-spirtokouto/movie

http://mymovies.imdb.com/title/tt0382988/maindetails

http://www.moviestation.org/movie/29982/Spirtokouto

http://movies.webula.net/titles/?list=S&id=1467

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stathis Psaltis (talk • contribs) 11:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've hyperlinked your refs to make it easier for other editors. I hope you don't mind.
 * The problem with those links are as follows:
 * http://imdb.com/title/tt0382988/, http://mymovies.imdb.com/title/tt0382988/maindetails: Same page - only indicate the movie exists, but not that it is notable. There is no question about the existence of this movie, only the notability.  IMDB coverage is trivial as per WP:N.
 * http://boutique.info-grece.com/product_info.php/cPath/3_146/products_id/5060: I can't comment directly, as I do not know Greek. It looks like it's taken from a press-pack though (the blurb the producers give to the retailers).  I question its independence.
 * www.mooviees.com/34666-spirtokouto/movie: trivial - It's just an empty discussion forum
 * http://www.moviestation.org/movie/29982/Spirtokouto: Retail information scraped from Amazon.
 * http://movies.webula.net/titles/?list=S&id=1467: Empty page.


 * The ref you supplied earlier (I think it was Adelaide Film Festival?) was much better than all of those put together, but still looks like the producer's blurb verbatim. Chovain 00:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My edit summary on my last edit was misleading, sorry - fixing on this edit Chovain 00:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

All this article intends on doing is stating the existance of this film, and all the above references reinforce the fact that it does exist despite any perceived short fallings of each reference you may have.

The link was to the Greek film festival of Ausrtalia. Spirtokouto featured nationally in every Australian capital city as part of the festival.

The information is not the producers blurb, I have that and I can provide it if you wish. However, based on your feedback I had made further changes to Spirtokouto to make the entry even more neutral.

The intention is only meant to be a simple entry stating the films existance and the existance of this film is beyond any doubt. Keep this is mind. Stathis Psaltis 03:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not enough that the film exists - it has to be notable, and verifiably so. My Grandmother exists.  I could prove it if I had to (with independent web links, including newspaper articles).  She's a lovely lady, but she's by no means notable.
 * I have never questioned the existence of the film named Spirtokouto. I merely question it's notability.
 * From my own searches, I accept that the Thessaloniki Film Festival is notable (although its article needs improvement). I accept that the Golden Alexander award at the festival is significant, and its winners are notable.  I accept that Spirtokouto won the Greek Film Critics Association Award (based on this link).  I do not feel any evidence has been put forward to indicate the Greek Film Critics Association Award is a notable acheivement.  It receives no English-language coverage  beyond those who are promoting the award's winners.  Chovain 02:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


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