Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spouses of heads of states and governments


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The result was delete.  Kurykh  06:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Spouses of heads of states and governments

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Delete This article (if it can be said an "encyclopedic article") document the names of spouses of heads of different countries in a format of a list. No need of it; name of spouses are always mentioned on the articles on individual person. In this manner numerous trivial "articles" can be created like Children of heads of states, Pets of heads of states, Cars of heads of states etc. etc. No need of this article especially when the name of spouses are mentioned in respective articles. Hence I am nominating this unencyclopedic arrticle for deletion. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're comparing women to pets and cars? —Sesel (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Care to the article title. It is not "Wives of heads of states and governments", it is "Spouses of heads of states and governments". Buy an Oxford English Dictionary from a bookstore and see what is the meaning of "Spouse".Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

And also I am not comparing persons to pets and cars, I am comparing the articles. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * delete notability is NOT inherited.(wp:notability) If they are notable on their own, then their own article would be the proper place to put them.  Why not List of spouses of really famous people?  Just as useless.  Pharmboy (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom -- Redfarmer (talk) 17:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I can't think why this could ever really be a useful list.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, the redlinks scream WP:BEANS (why on earth would anyone need/want an article on the wife of Babrak Karmal?!) and while it is a substantially delimited list, the members on it are for the most part loosely connected. We have an encyclopedic article First Lady of the United States and one could reasonably be created for those countries where the HOS/HOG spouse has a public role, but I don't see the value of a global list of everyone who's been married to a President or whatnot when only some are notable. --Dhartung | Talk 18:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone might want an article on Babrak Karmal's wife because she was an ambassador, government minister, member of the Politburo, and the "highest-ranking woman in the Parcham faction"! —Sesel (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Then obviously I picked a poor example at random (well, right off the top of the list). Such does not apply to the majority of the red links. If being a spouse is the only claim to notability for an individual, it is a very thin one, since notability is not transferable. We should not make red links for persons who are not likely to meet notability criteria. --Dhartung | Talk 01:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Spouses of government leaders are a topic of some encyclopedic interest (the very concept of the First Lady is the proof), but any country for which we have sufficient sources to actually write articles on them will already have its own individual list (e.g. Spouses of the Prime Ministers of Canada, First Ladies of the United States, etc.) anyway — which pretty much eliminates the need for a comprehensive omnibus list of everybody who's ever been married to a president or prime minister. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This is very narrow-minded and nationalistic: a list of the US or Canadian first ladies is ok, but not on all the other countries. Also in other countries the spouses of presidents play an important diplomatic role even if their names are not that well-known. And I find it much more useful to have a comprehensive and chronological list than having to search for each single name in the various biographies of the presidents' bios (which are not always complete). Cause then I would not need this encyclopaedic tool at all and I would go right to a library.(User talk:krischnig) 12:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.64.93 (talk)
 * This is very narrow-minded and nationalistic: a list of the US or Canadian first ladies is ok, but not on all the other countries. Try again. That's not what anybody in this debate has said. Bearcat (talk) 17:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


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