Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Squoval


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  22:11, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Squoval

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Contested prod. Word / neologism with two meanings, neither notable. The term is in use, but the concept of squoval has not been the subject of significant attention in reliable sources, juts passing mentions and basic definitions. Tagged for notability for more than three years. Fram (talk) 12:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Currently rounded rectangle redirects to squircle. Should this do the same, or is there another redirect target? --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If there isn't, there should be. There are plenty of serious sources that deal in the shapes of nails, that do indeed list this as one of the several possible shapes. , and , for two examples.  Following the lead of the world at large in how it documents this subject, we should do the same.
 * Uncle G (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Question: Is there anything to be said about 'squovals' beyond defining the word and listing things that have that shape? I'm having a hard time imagining what. But then again, I was somewhat surprised to learn that Squircle is apparently a term used in geometry. Cnilep (talk) 04:59, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What the above and many other sources discuss are the various nail shapes used by manicurists, of which a squoval is but one. As I've pointed out, the answer is thus to rename and expand the article, not delete it.  Uncle G (talk) 06:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have a completely different name, and different content (not only expanding with many things, but also removing half of what is there now), then you are effectively deleting and if necessary and possible redirecting, not simply rewriting. If the target article for the potential redirect doesn't exist, then deletion is the obvious solution. Fram (talk) 07:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be different content. It would be more content.  You know, the usual meaning of "expand" here at Wikipedia.  Deletion is nowhere involved in renaming and expanding things, as you should well know by now.  And deletion is certainly not the same as "removing half" of anything, not that removal of half of anything is even the case here.  As someone who has the deletion tool you should know well know that by now, too.  You're assuming the conclusion and bending the facts to fit it, rather than looking at an article and thinking "How can this be expanded and improved?" per deletion policy.  Think like a writer, instead.  If you did, and started researching sources and reading about the subject (starting with the things handed to you on a platter above), you'd be thinking of more than a fivefold expansion on nail shapes (including the "ski-jump" and the "hook", as well as the squoval, square, rounded, pointed, and so forth) and possibly a Did You Know. Uncle G (talk) 09:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to patronize people, at least make sure you are correct. Feel free to create any new article you want, and feel free to spin it anyway you like in self-justification, but don't expect me to take any notice of your remarks hereafter. I prefer to listen to well-reasoned arguments instead. Fram (talk) 09:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. If this content becomes part of a page on nail shapes, the page history needs to be kept. The other definition on the page, a trademarked description of a bicycle frame shape, might be merged to Cervélo (which currently does use the word). The page should then become a DAB. Cnilep (talk) 05:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep though needs expansion. Frequent usage in articles and books on the subject of manicure, as seen by following Google links above, one of which refers to it as 'the most popular nail shape in the business' . 99.153.143.227 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.