Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sreelakshmi Suresh (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There's enough input here to determine that consensus hasn't changed from the previous AFD. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Sreelakshmi Suresh
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Obviously an ambitious self promotion. The specific points which reveal that it was an attempt on self promotion are below:
 * 1) User:Gk00900, the author of this article has made no other contribution other than authoring this article! See Contributions of Gk00900. The only other page edited is List of people from Kerala to insert this very article in the list!!! It makes me doubt that User:Gk00900 is 'Sreelakshmi Suresh'. No no, not an accusation. Can you blame me if I doubt that?
 * 2) The only award which is established by the sources is that of the 'Association of American Webmasters' and apparently it is an award dispensing organization, with no established credibility. The  the 2nd AfD discussion has some data on it. All the other awards are just claims, and the only credible newpaper that reports it is 'The Hindu'. Here again 'The Hindu' reports it only as a claim and not as a fact.
 * 'Sreelakshmi has won the Global Internet Directories Gold Award (U.S.A.), Association of American Webmasters Merit Award, Association of American Webmasters Official membership and Art Space's World Web Award of Excellence 2006-07 (USA), said her father.' (From Ref 2 in the article).

This article was previously nominated for deletion. Both the AfDs ended in a 'Keep' decesion. The main argument that supported the 'keep' was that we sould clean it up, instead of removing it. And some effort of the community was put in to make it look better. But why should we clean it and retain it, if the intention of self promotion is obvious?

And finally, I dont care if someone promote themselves through their personal web sites. But is Wikipedia the place for this? Austria156 (talk) 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per everything said in the August 2011 AfD... Seriously, its only been 4 months. Mkdw talk 08:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * discussion for consensus do NOT VOTE COUNT...so do you have a specific reason to "keep"?Lihaas (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I quote a few lines up: "per everything said in the August 2011 AfD". Would you like me to copy and paste the entire discussion that is barely dry off the page from only a few months ago, or are you able to click the link I provided? Never said anything about a vote count so why don't you not put words in people's mouths and stick to the AfD process. Mkdw talk 00:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - The availability of reliable sources qualifies this topic for inclusion. Also, it is quite unlikely that this thirteen-year old girl in India created this article to promote herself, per assertions in the nomination for deletion. Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thi s is quite clearly oconjecture when you say "quite unlikely " care to clarify as discussion for consensus are based on the merit of the conversation. at least one RS is utter rubbish and not RS.Lihaas (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But it is not unlikely that this 13 year old girl has created award-winning websites and is managing a webdesign venture all by herself!!! I did not mean to say that she did it all (either this article or her web sites) by herself. I meant only that User:Gk00900 is a promoter of this person. It is obvious and unrefutable (User:Gk00900 has made no other edits in all these years, since 2007. Could you explain that with a simpler theory than this). So this user might be one of her parents, or a relative.
 * We go by what reliable sources say, not your opinion about what is or isn't likely. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * By whatever sources, is it likely that User:Gk00900 is only a promoter of the 'subject'? And is not this a significant problem as per established Wikipedia policy? Austria156 (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a reason for article deletion, especially when based on guesswork. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem. But if we, sincere wikipedians, including you, me, and all of us here, bring up the laws here, read them in letters, instead of in the spirit, and support this kind of obvious and blatant self promotion; where would this lead Wikipedia to? A Gk00900, who have made just this one contribution to Wikipedia with selfish intentions has left and we are now working hard to make it look better and arguing hard whether or not to delete it. I could just have overlooked this article. Why did I stop on it and gave it a third AfD where the first two had failed. Because I wanted Wikipedia to be clean of self promotional stuff. If not for this AfD, this article will remain here unnoticed for years or until the life of Wikipedia itself. And I have no problem about it. And know this. I am an Indian. From the very state of this 'subject'. I have never heard such a name before. This person is not notable even in city of Calicut where she resides. And here we are arguing whether she is notable or not. Thank you. I quit the discussion. Sorry for being emotional. Any sincere person will yield for emotions when let down mercilessly. Thank you all. I am unhappy, but I have no hard feeling towards any of you. Good luck. Austria156 (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * delete obvious promotion for a non-notable subject. should we have pages for EVERY award winner for EVERY award? children do get awards too...and the sources (many of them) are dubious too, wordpress for example. Furthermore, not hard to see a web designer can maintain this page, esp. since its the sole editLihaas (talk) 08:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The last AFD was at 3 August 2011. Consensus was clear.  Nothing has changed since then, so this is a waste of everyone's time.  The Hindu is a major newspaper.  If coverage was found last time, then I don't see what the problem is.  Also, look at all of those awards.  The ones given by the India government and by notable organizations surely indicate notability of this person.  Click the Google news archive link.  Plenty of sources.  asiaone is a reliable source and the first thing that appears, giving full coverage to this person.    D r e a m Focus  16:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
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