Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sreten Jocić


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Sreten Jocić

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Delete: as non-notable; the article, after removal of unsourced claims/speculation, is valueless. Quis separabit? 16:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable person. 2607:FB90:D8F:B1:1D32:C7C0:4208:FAEA (talk) 16:27, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as there's nothing from that event to suggest his own convincing independence. SwisterTwister   talk  17:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete ganster/murderers are not all notable, nothing about him suggests more to make him notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:21, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I don't like to get personal, but I'm sad to see some names above known for utter failure to even read WP:BEFORE, let alone apply it, and apparently voting out of their ass. The guy is all over Serbian news and has been for years ... I can agree that the article is valueless, but that is unfortunately not a valid reason for deletion. No such user (talk) 20:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - we should not base our !vote on article size or quality, but on notability guidelines. clearly this person has been the subject of coverage for years. per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:49, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. If someone can translate those news articles that No such user provided, then we should try to incorporate those into the article to improve it. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 17:25, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The article consists of a couple of sentences, the most important part of which is "He was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment for the murder of Goran Marjanović in July 1995, and is serving his sentence in a Belgrade prison." Is everyone convicted of murder (aside from the notability of the victim, i.e. assassins of U.S. presidents, et al) and sent to jail automatically notable?? I don't think so. And if that is what my ass says, it's good enough for me. Quis separabit?  21:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * From WP:Deletion policy (WP:ATD): If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. and If an article on a notable topic severely fails the verifiability or neutral point of view policies, it may be reduced to a stub, or completely deleted by consensus at WP:AfD. This is a stub. We do not delete bad articles on notable topics. WP:BEFORE expressly states that If there are verifiability, notability or other sourcing concerns, take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources. and Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability; The minimum search expected is a normal Google search. And I don't see that you or any of deleters in this discussion has done even the basic Google search, thus my pretty obvious anger.
 * As I'm writing this, Google news search produces 746 hits on the topic. Granted, most in Serbian (which is not a reason for deletion), but there are English ones too . For Serbian sources, which span several years, his name usually appears in the title, which means he is their primary subject, which pretty much nails the WP:GNG. For example, Google translate of two lengthy pieces in respectful Vreme 2005 2009 could be sufficient alone to make a decent stub. If you are unwilling to do that, fine, tag the article and somebody else will improve it, but do not waste our collective time by nominating it for deletion. You have been a regular editor on Wikipedia for 10+ years, and you are expected to know how things work. No such user (talk) 09:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Neka većina odluči. Quis separabit?  01:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, kids, this ain't my style, but am !voting Keep here. I just ran a Google search on Joca Amsterdam and came up with 46,000 hits— I pulled up just one of the Serbian news articles, translated it through Chrome, and was able to get a sense of this dude's notability (as well as his ugly mug— yeesh!).  I am surprised he hasn't made it into the English news cycles yet, considering the amount of murdering he's apparently been up to.  But as has been pointed out, even coverage in just Serbian can make him notable, and seems to do so.  It's a weak article, to be sure, however, and the person who threw it together did a bad job of it: it would have taken very little to have included two legitimate Serbian references here instead of making others hunt for them and invoking this entire discussion out of the ambiguity that was created.  KDS4444 (talk) 04:30, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


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