Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. George's School (Vancouver)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

St. George's School (Vancouver)

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Article is currently supported only by primary, self-published sources (not counting citations for famous alumni) and was written in large part by editors with an apparent conflict of interest, and I was unable to find sources establishing notability. Worth mentioning:


 * Saints: The Story of St. George's School for Boys: This appears to be an independent publication, but may not establish notability due to the nature of the publisher (they will seemingly publish anything if you pay them for it) and the proliferation of self-published by-alumni-for-alumni books about schools.


 * Without Fear Or Favour: A History of St. George's School, 1930-2005: Co-authored by the school and therefore does not establish notability.


 * Growing Up British in British Columbia: Boys in Private School: Thesis, primary source per WP:SCHOLARSHIP.

I was unable to find anything else that could possibly establish notability. Therefore I propose deletion, though I'm mainly looking for some other editors' input here. WP scatter t/c 08:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools,  and Canada.   WP scatter  t/c 08:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Comments on Jean Barman, Growing Up British in British Columbia: Boys in Private School. (1) You link to a book published by a university press. Many highly valued university press books are edited and revised versions of doctoral theses. This doesn't mean that they are doctoral theses. This particular book has been reviewed in academic journals (whether favourably or unfavourably, I haven't checked). (2) This book doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, if the book can be judged as reliable, then the article may be worth keeping. It makes a lot of claims about the school's importance on the growth of Vancouver around the time of its creation. But even then it would be the only good source the article has.  WP scatter  t/c 09:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment on Growing up British in BC: as I attempt to view this at Google Books, all I'm served are snippets. (Other people, in other parts of the world, may be luckier.) I see from the pile of snippets that the school is mentioned many times, but that's about all. However, the book is also available here at the Internet Archive. A user ID there is easy to get and free of charge; with a user ID you can "borrow" (have an online view of) the book for a short period, again free of charge. And it turns out that yes, there's a lot in this book about this school. (See in particular pages 111–116, 124, and 170–171.) To what degree this material adds up to demonstrating notability is a question I'd rather leave to editors more used to schools articles than I am; but if the article is to remain, worthwhile material for it can certainly be mined from this book. (To me, what's currently in the article looks pretty humdrum, saying that the school currently does what one would anyway assume that schools currently do.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC) slightly rephrased Hoary (talk) 06:20, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sourcing sufficient for WP:GNG as with pretty much every other secondary school in the English-speaking western world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * St. George's is most definitely notable — and this article should absolutely NOT be deleted — as many, many famous people have attended this school spanning decades. The school has been a fixture in the community for a long time; it is considered one of the top independent schools on the continent. One00one00one (talk) 20:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * One00one00one, what's the meaning of "fixture" in this context, which "community", who considers it so, and which are the reliable sources that state all of this? -- Hoary (talk) 13:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep I would say this passes GNG and NSCHOOL. It seems to have enough sources and information provided by those sources to make it notable enough. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 05:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Above, WP:NSCHOOL is cited. WP:NSCHOOL (which is just one part of WP:ORG) merely says that one or other of WP:GNG and WP:ORG must be met. The latter two are actually pretty similar to each other. One thing that WP:ORG says is I do understand that a number of individuals who themselves merit articles here have gone through this school: what have they written, or been quoted as saying, about it? Where is the disinterested commentary on the place? I do see (in the book Growing up British in BC) disinterested and fairly substantial coverage of the school as it functioned decades ago; however, much of the current article is about the school now or during the last few years; and this is humdrum stuff, largely sourced to the school itself. -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - as a K-12 private school with almost 100 years of history, it easily meets my long-standing standards for schools. Bearian (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.