Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Ignatius College, Messina


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

St. Ignatius College, Messina

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Jesuit promo, fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 15:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment/question: Does it offer distinct degrees?  If its students graduate from some main "St. Ignatius College" not in Messina, then it not a separate school.  If it does offer its own degrees, and is separately accredited and run and so on, then it is a distinct secondary or higher school and we  keep those.  Hey, drop the anti-Jesuit tone. --Doncram (talk) 02:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep includes a high school and primary school, combined with verifying references Atlantic306 (talk) 15:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Numerous WP:RS such as (Wise, John E. “Jesuit School Beginnings.” History of Education Quarterly, vol. 1, no. 1, 1961, pp. 28–31. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/367197.) assert that :"The first fully constituted college for lay students was founded at Messina, Sicily, in 1548." Knowing that in the 1400 and thought 1535 (when the Henry's Reformation made them not comparable insitutions with Messina,) Oxford and Cambridge admitted boys as young as ten -  12-year-olds were routine - although the modal age of admission was mid-teens.  Boys not intended for holy orders left in their late teens, but if you wanted a bachelors degree, you stayed longer.   In other words, Catholic  "lay" Catholic institutions like Messina, Oxford and Cambridge served a BOTH what we now call secondary and tertiary institutions.  I am guessing that this secondary school and othe University of Messina - both Jesuit - may share a common origin as daughter institutions of the old,  Jesuit College, Messina,  founded in 1548 and leveled in an earthquake in 1908.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:50, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:53, 27 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - this isn't promo, got some notable Ghits (though already provided the example I was going to use). Passes WP:NSCHOOL. Kirbanzo (talk) 10:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Atlantic306, E.M.Gregory and Kirbanzo. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


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