Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Mary's Salem Orthodox Church, Manappally


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The result was redirect to Manappally. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

St. Mary's Salem Orthodox Church, Manappally

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No sources found after an extensive search for sources on Google. I don't know Malayalam and neither have I access to sources specifically pertaining to the South Indian christian community. In its current state I believe that the article does not meet GNG. Regards — FR&thinsp;+ 10:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 11:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 11:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Overall I don't think there sis enough to make this church notable. You could possibly Redirect to St. Mary's Salem Orthodox Church, Manappally Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church since they appear to be connected. <b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b> <b style="color: black;">Talk</b> 11:53, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The redirect link above is pointed to same. perhaps you meant Manappally-- D Big X ray   12:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed the redirect link. The article mention it is a part of the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church so I figure it should be redirected there. Sorry about not linking correctly in the first place. <b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b> <b style="color: black;">Talk</b> 12:40, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Manappally. I am ok for delete as well. The small church of the village is not notable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD due to lack of independent coverage. With this edit I have already copied any useful information to the village article. -- D Big X ray  12:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Kindly please do not delete this article. Because this article is needed. Kindly, do not to reduce it into a redirect. We can improve the article by adding somemore content. Thank you. PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:35, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I added some improvements to the article. Kindly please see it.  PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * While there isn't much content on the page to begin with, the issue is notability GNG. <b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b> <b style="color: black;">Talk</b> 13:53, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Path slopu, It is being discussed if the Church merits its own separate Article or it deserved to be added to Manappally article. If you can provide links of New website (in any language) or newspaper clippings or Books that talk about this church in detail, then we can keep the church article. as of now even after you add lot of stuff it is still failing our wiki policies of WP:NBUILD and WP:GNG. Hope you read the links i posted to understand the actual problem. -- D Big X ray   15:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - Pictures and other content won't help right now, what you need to prove is that the subject meets WP:GNG and is worth to have a full-fledged article on Wikipedia. For that I would recommend you to devote all your energy to searching for atleast two high quality books, newspaper articles mentioning the church. However please keep in mind that the authors of those news articles and books must not be affiliated to the church. — FR&thinsp;+</b> 18:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S : I have gone through some of the other church related articles that you have created and I find that they seem to lack even one independent source. I suggest that you find and add at-least one independent source for them. — FR&thinsp;+</b> 18:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge (rather than redirect) to Manappally. That is a town of 22000+ population.  The merger would in fact consist of adding the picture in the subject to the target, which already has a sentence on the church.  A lot would needed to establish that the church was independently notable, but merging to the place where a church is can often be a good solution.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Peterkingiron I also copied that image and 1 line of useful info to the target Village article, paving the way for a Redirect. -- D Big X ray  18:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Now Redirect as the merger has been done. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have no problems whatsoever in a redirect/merge being effected provided only sourced statements are included. The article may be kept as redirect. — FR&thinsp;+</b> 17:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I added some more citations to the page. Kindly please see that. PATH SLOPU (Talk) 12:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , the links you added only help to confirm the existence of this church. The Question that needs to be addressed here is a lack of reliable sources (WP:RS). just adding more of self published sources(WP:SPS) even if 100 will not help the article establish its notability (WP:N). -- D Big X ray  13:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - You seriously need to read all the stuff being linked here. The general notability guidlines which are the major criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia clearly state that articles, newspapers etc written by someone affiliated to the subject doesn't count as a reliable source. — FR&thinsp;+</b> 06:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


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