Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Paul's Presbyterian Church (Leaskdale)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

St. Paul's Presbyterian Church (Leaskdale)

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Church that fails WP:NBUILD (I don't think WP:NORG is relevant for this local church, but perhaps it is?). The Commons category suggests that it's a listed building, but it's not. Rather, it is very close to a listed building. The listed building is Leaskdale Manse (listing: ) and I don't think there's content here to merge into that article. It would be good to get consensus on this in some way or another in any event, since it's been sitting in CAT:NN since 2009. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 17:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 15:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, in fact pretty obviously. As for other church articles, the article should be understood to cover the Presbyterian church congregation, founded in 1860s, any original church building(s), the former church building which is historic and survives and is included in a local museum site, and the modern, current building.  The article is separate from the manse building.  It seems to me that having two articles here is right:  one focused on just the manse building where Lucy Maud Montgomery lived and wrote, and another focused on the church and/or the larger museum site which includes the former manse and the former church building.  The former church building is notable as "the church where Lucy Maud Montgomery's husband, the Reverend Ewan Macdonald, served as pastor from 1911-1926."  This is enough to establish significance.  There are sources about this, and some about the later, current church building and current congregation, and there are sources about the original founding of the church and so on.  Perhaps three or even four articles could be justified, but I prefer just one focused on the manse which is the Canadian historic site, and one combining coverage on the church buildings and church as an organization and completing out coverage of the museum site (former church building, former manse, perhaps more). --Doncram (talk) 01:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Dubious -- It looks a rather ordinary local church to me. I assume that a history dating back to the 1860s is not that unusual in Ontario.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep due to relation to historic building (Doncram's arguement)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell the only argument for notability of this building thus far provided is that it is "the church where Lucy Maud Montgomery's husband, the Reverend Ewan Macdonald, served as pastor from 1911-1926". If the government of Canada had wanted to list this building along with Leaskdale Manse, it surely could have. Similarly, it could have defined the historic site to include this church, which AFAICS it did not. So frankly I'm at a loss as to how this building, which is two degrees of remove away from Lucy Maude Montgomery herself, is notable by virtue of that tenuous association. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * See Google News' it seems this church meets GNG.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I disagree that these sources establish GNG, but I can see how one would think differently. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


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